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[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

There are many perfect trip winners that can be argued under different circumstances would have not even been close to winning. Street Sense is simply not one of these.

Please link me to where I said Street Sense was anything less than 1st or 2nd best?

His previous two races, with that exact same trip, were AT LEAST as good as his Derby performance. He won the Juvenile by double digits with a record figure in one---and was perhaps the only 3yo ever to run a triple digit Beyer, off a layoff, going two-turns on the demanding Tampa Downs surface.

EVERYONE knows what kind of horse he is with that trip (an excellent horse) however, from watching films of his races when he did not have that trip, I believe he has bad habits, and will run alarmingly unimpressive, if he has to rally wide without a pace setup.

The fact that he ran better than arguably all but zero or one horse---it has nothing to do with my belief that this horse will have problems when he can't skate inside of horses.

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Please link me to where I said Street Sense was anything less than 1st or 2nd best?

His previous two races, with that exact same trip, were AT LEAST as good as his Derby performance. He won the Juvenile by double digits with a record figure in one---and was perhaps the only 3yo ever to run a triple digit Beyer, off a layoff, going two-turns on the demanding Tampa Downs surface.

EVERYONE knows what kind of horse he is with that trip (an excellent horse) however, from watching films of his races when he did not have that trip, I believe he has bad habits, and will run alarmingly unimpressive, if he has to rally wide without a pace setup.

The fact that he ran better than arguably all but zero or one horse---it has nothing to do with my belief that this horse will have problems when he can't skate inside of horses.

I do not think SS had a great trip in the Tampa Bay Derby. The rail was DEAD DEAD DEAD all day, and he dug in and held off a game AGS. The Bluegrass didn't seem like and ideal trip, and he ran well. We can also see now that they were not going to push the horse to much in that race, as it was just a extended workout for the Derby for him.

Furthermore, SS did not have ideal trips in his two races (at Arlington and Keeneland) before the BC Juv. He was still running gamely in those races, losing by less then 2 lengths in both of those races.

I do not think you have backed up any of your comments with any original insightful, well thought out material, just biased opinion.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ARyan

I do not think you have backed up any of your comments with any original insightful, well thought out material, just biased opinion.

Another poster just did a job of wrongfully painting me as someone who views these things in a biased manner. If you believe that, you're wrong.

Please do me a favor, and back up your comment that the rail was dead on Tampa Derby day with the same "original insightful, well thought out material" that I failed to produce.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Please do me a favor, and back up your comment that the rail was dead on Tampa Derby day with the same "original insightful, well thought out material" that I failed to produce.

I just got back from my excersize and am bummed out.....

I give you a lot of credit for ducking me on that.....

Even Zhuge Liang would have had an almost impossible time convincing anyone that the rail was dead that day---let along "DEAD DEAD DEAD."

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I just got back from my excersize and am bummed out.....

I give you a lot of credit for ducking me on that.....

Even Zhuge Liang would have had an almost impossible time convincing anyone that the rail was dead that day---let along "DEAD DEAD DEAD."

March 17th
Tampa Bay Downs

Race 1
The #3 horse gets the lead easy, no crazy fractions, starts to pull away on the rail and then quickly tires and is passed by #1 horse who took a 3 wide path from 4th to pass everyone and wins by 3/4.

Race 3
#10 horse races wide around the track to pass all at the top of the stretch and wins in hand while those on the rail all drift back 1st through 4, #10, #9, #7, #8. All raced off the rail.

Race 6

The horse on the lead at the top of the stretch is in the 3 path, a horse on the inside looks to make a move after sitting on the rail and can't do anything, meanwhile 2 horses pass the leader from the 4 and 5 paths.

Race 7

Horse draws away from the 3 path on the lead, horse on 5 path finish one two, while two challangers who were in contention in the stretch fail miserably on the rail and 2 path.

Race 9

The 2 horse comes 6 wide around the turn to blow by the leader who was in the 4 path. Nobody on the rail does anything but get passed.

Race 10

The 5 horse, 7/2 has a prime position turning for home, gets to the rail and is swallowed up by 3 horses running from the 4 path out, to finish a well beaten 5th on the rail.





Go take a look yourself champ;

http://tampabaydowns.com/DailyReplays.aspx

Only one winner all day on the rail besides SS, and he was a HUGE fav.

Want to make another unproven claim?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ARyan

Race 9

The 2 horse comes 6 wide around the turn to blow by the leader who was in the 4 path. Nobody on the rail does anything but get passed.

Race #9 was a turf race...and the two horse won wire-to-wire...I assume you were refering to the 8th race.

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Race #9 was a turf race...and the two horse won wire-to-wire...I assume you were refering to the 8th race.

Yes, thank you for picking up that error. In the 8th, what happend again? He won closing on the rail that was dead right? Oh wait, no, he stayed off the rail and won. Who's point are you trying to prove here?