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07-04-2006, 12:03 PM
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You were the one who said " I will trust what a doctor told me over vague supposed connections to the owners and spin." If you want to question me, I will question you. I will be up at Saratoga and might try to go to the sales with my friend, although I am not a buyer. I am sure he would love to hear the opinion of an MD on an operation to a horse. He told me the DVM that did the surgery said things were great, but I guess an MD who has never even touched the horse, knows better. I am not sure why the owners would spin anything. In fact, they have been trying to keep as little information as possible out there about the horse. They have a new star horse in Showing Up, and even though they didn't breed him like Barbaro, he is becoming a huge favorite of their entire operation. In fact, after next weekend Barbaro will be the top earner of all horses this year, and Showing Up will move into second. Pretty good for a medium sized operation like Lael. 
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07-04-2006, 12:09 PM
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Kind of silly, this whole thing. For all anyone knows, the screws got bent as a result of bone growing back. Then again, .... I remember reading that the number of screws used on Barbaro was more than used on any other horse with a similar condition. I'm more curious about the new screws. I'm sure there will be more public information soon enough as the press does it's job. The rest is just supposition. No reason for dirty words at twenty paces.
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07-04-2006, 12:12 PM
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First of all, I never said the surgery did not go well, and I am quite sure a great vet like Dr. Richardson did an exceptional job, and I have no reason to believe the surgery wasn't completely successful. What I did say was the fact that this surgery was necessary was cause for concern. I hardly see how that is out of line. I think all of us can reasonably agree that any surgery is a cause for concern. In this case, as I stated, it reintroduces the possibility of infection, and as my surgeon friend told me it probably increases that risk a little bit.
I think the opinion of a neutral ( and extremely qualified ) party is more informative in this case than the connections who even you are saying are being ( understandably ) tight lipped about this. I have no doubt that the medical opinions I heard are more than qualified. I am sorry you won't be in Saratoga the first week as I think you would be more than satisfied had you gotten together with us.
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07-04-2006, 12:38 PM
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IMO the problem, as it seems to be too often on the internet, is that people take legitimate posts personally. It's not surprising that some of us are concerned about this latest surgery. I hardly means any of us are rooting against Barbaro. I know I'm not. I have loved this horse since the Laurel Futurity and like many was crushed at the Preakness.
Nothing wrong with a lively discussion.....though I prefer not to be called a liar.
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07-04-2006, 01:13 PM
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If it's any help to some of the earlier posts, I, with no connections whatsoever to anyone connected with Barbaro, am pretty sure I read in at least one article that it was possible some screws would have to be replaced along the way because they might get bent. I can't back it up without a lot of google research, as I frantically read every article I could find on Barbaro in those first weeks and they all kind of run together now in my head, but when I read this recent article my initial reaction to the bent screws/new screws thing was "Oh yeah; they said they might have to do that."
And yes, any surgery carries with it the possibility of infection and infection can kill. So let's hope those antibiotics keep doing their job... get well soon, Barbaro, and did you see the note I wrote you on the get well card at Belmont? Oh right. You can't read. Never mind.
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07-05-2006, 09:58 AM
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"All this surgery was done under fluoroscopic control, using little, small incisions, so it wasn't like you were opening the leg back up or anything," Richardson said. "These were done through one-centimeter incisions, so tiny incisions." There is a slight risk of infection, but not really.
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07-04-2006, 03:22 PM
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07-04-2006, 03:36 PM
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One, I never saw Blackthroat say he talked to one of Barbaro's vets. If I wanted to, I can go to my next door neighbor now, who operates on ANIMALS of all kind on a daily basis, thoroughbreds included and he could tell me what the deal is. Anyone could if they wanted to....
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07-04-2006, 08:24 PM
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http://drf.com/news/article/76109.html
This article doesn't seem short or uninformative to me. It doesn't sound overly optomistic. It sounds like what it is. Multiple cast changes were talked about all along. I know for sure I heard they would probably have to replace hardware and that the hardware outlasting the healing is a major complication of this type of surgery. Also, a human surgeon would not really have a grasp of what would be expected in hardware change as their patients have completely different weight distribution and vastly different load worries. And just how many injuries are THIS serious to draw comparisons to? Quite frankly, I'm amazed no one has thrown up big gushers over the abcess as being indicitive of DANGER, WILL ROBINSON. But honestly, if it is being treated topically, it isn't much of an abcess. Who is the champion stud that broke his hind leg in an accident? Did an article of "looking back" on bloodhorse a while back after Barbaro's surgery. I'll have to search that out. At any rate, hugely better possibilities here. But my point is, I guess, that in many ways there is no "standard" when it comes to this injury recovery. I don't see anyone saying he's free and clear. Don't know why this has become a contentious thread, but let's just say that I, at least, highly doubt there is a bunch of spinning going on. If anything, Richardson is always stressing they haven't come that far yet but that, yes, progress has been good as far as they have come. Take a chill pill everyone.
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07-04-2006, 08:33 PM
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The only real news we are ever really going to read about Barbaro is bad news until he is on a farm. The fact that the vet didn't have anything bad to report makes me believe he probably is just moving along slowly but nothing indicates he is getting worse. All I can tell is that he seems to be a pro at getting into and out of the pool after surgery. Good luck to him. The sport really needs him to pull through.
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07-04-2006, 11:11 PM
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richardson has been up front from the get go about this injury. they really are treading new water here. all the comparisons to other injuries...but none have been this involved. and we all knew going in that it would take months to know for sure if barbaro would make it. patience people. hope for the best. all things considered, the horse has done remarkably well considering.
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