Rags to Riches/Belmont try?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by moodwalker

You aren't really entitled to your opinion here Somer....

Possibly slander here!!!!

LOL...still smartin' from that beyer thread? Hey, it's not often that someone gives me the opportunity to call them a wimp! How can I pass that up?

[AeWingnut]

I think if a filly can set the pace against the colts she could wire. The boys won't want to pass her.

[Scurlogue Champ]

hahaha, I'm not smarting too bad. just worried about being served a summons.

I think I'll drop it, that last one was in bad taste.

[Thoroughbred Fan]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

LOL...still smartin' from that beyer thread? Hey, it's not often that someone gives me the opportunity to call them a wimp! How can I pass that up?

I give you kudos for the retort and not crying to mods to have this taken down. The real point was not to demean you in any way personally, but rather to poke a stick at your conservative approach.

The very best stock is unfortunately owned by a small group of people. These people, ass was stated, are the only ones who can afford what she hass already become. They will not let her pass into the others hands and frequently race therir own well-bred stock. The financial up/downside to them is really minimal.

I would applaud them for taking a chance on where they enter. Believe me, if this were a colt they would likely take your conservative approach.

I hope she runs!

[Danzig]

it's a shame that whenever it's mentioned that a filly might face off against colts, ruffian is brought up by someone!

why not mention genuine risk, or ouija board? lady's secret? winning colors?

as tho the fact ruffian was facing a colt somehow increased the odds of a breakdown. how ridiculous--so much for using your head, emotional responses are always so much more interesting.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it's a shame that whenever it's mentioned that a filly might face off against colts, ruffian is brought up by someone!

why not mention genuine risk, or ouija board? lady's secret? winning colors?

as tho the fact ruffian was facing a colt somehow increased the odds of a breakdown. how ridiculous--so much for using your head, emotional responses are always so much more interesting.

I agree with that for the most part, when Go For Wand broke down it was a bit ironic (as well as very tragic) because she had been considered for the BCC and the owners opted for what they thought was a "softer" spot...unfortunately, they couldn't forsee what turned out to be a head-to-head duel all around the track with a talented and tough as nails older filly! The concern is always that when champion horses exert to the max they will run through warning pain often with tragic results, 12 furlongs will require max effort for this filly...I'm sorry but I'd wait for another spot!

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I agree with that for the most part, when Go For Wand broke down it was a bit ironic (as well as very tragic) because she had been considered for the BCC and the owners opted for what they thought was a "softer" spot...unfortunately, they couldn't forsee what turned out to be a head-to-head duel all around the track with a talented and tough as nails older filly! The concern is always that when champion horses exert to the max they will run through warning pain often with tragic results, 12 furlongs will require max effort for this filly...I'm sorry but I'd wait for another spot!

Still waiting for that other spot.

[King Glorious]

The time to do it was in the SA Derby. That was a golden opportunity. The next best time to do it will be after the TC in the Haskell or WV Derby. Something like that after the TC has watered down the ranks. Or in a race like the Ohio Derby. The Kentucky Derby would have been the shot at immortality. Not the Belmont. The Belmont is an irrelevant race nowdays. What would she prove by winning it? That she's the best 12f 3yo in the country? Who cares? I would rather prove that I'm competitive with the best 3yo's at a distance that matters. I would not run in the Belmont.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

The time to do it was in the SA Derby. That was a golden opportunity. The next best time to do it will be after the TC in the Haskell or WV Derby. Something like that after the TC has watered down the ranks. Or in a race like the Ohio Derby. The Kentucky Derby would have been the shot at immortality. Not the Belmont. The Belmont is an irrelevant race nowdays. What would she prove by winning it? That she's the best 12f 3yo in the country? Who cares? I would rather prove that I'm competitive with the best 3yo's at a distance that matters. I would not run in the Belmont.

The point is to take advantage of her stamina and pedigree and catch the males at a distance they might struggle going. Most of the horses she'd face in the Belmont would likely be better suited going shorter distances.

So let me get this straight, the Belmont is an irrelevant race, but the Haskell, West Virginia Derby or Ohio Derby would prove something about her?

There are plenty of fillies who can go nine furlongs with boys.. There are very few who can go 12 with 'em.. This might be one that can do the latter.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it's a shame that whenever it's mentioned that a filly might face off against colts, ruffian is brought up by someone!

why not mention genuine risk, or ouija board? lady's secret? winning colors?

as tho the fact ruffian was facing a colt somehow increased the odds of a breakdown. how ridiculous--so much for using your head, emotional responses are always so much more interesting.

Or that Charismatic broke his leg running against a filly, for that matter. It was bad racing luck. That's it.

And I hope Pletcher runs RtR in the Belmont!

[_ed_]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

And I hope Pletcher runs RtR in the Belmont!

Me too.

She doesn't have a lot more to prove against the fillies at this stage, I think it would be awesome to see her up against the boys in the Belmont. Wouldn't be the end of the world if she failed, and it would be unforgettable if she won.

[KY_Sasquash]

Originally Posted by moodwalker

Coolmore doesn't need Street Cry getting a Triple Crown winner in his first crop.

Spoiler time.

I wouldn't be surprised if the entire American arm of Coolmore shows up.


I am repeating this information, by the way. Heard it somewhere else

Unless they already have the breeding rights to Street Sense already tied up. Then they wont want to play spoiler

[southerndutch]

The last filly I remember in the Belmont was Shug sending out My Flag to finish third to Editor's Note and Skip Away.

[AeWingnut]

I don't know if anyone has posted this but Rags is the half sister to Belmont winner Jazil (who can be traced back to Colin)

Maybe they will run her in the Belmont
it probabl depends on whether or not Street Sense can get it done in Baltimore

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I don't know if anyone has posted this but Rags is the half sister to Belmont winner Jazil (who can be traced back to Colin)

Maybe they will run her in the Belmont
it probabl depends on whether or not Street Sense can get it done in Baltimore

She is from sires that won the Belmont..the great Slew and his son A.P. Indy.

[Cajungator26]

I believe that while Rags is a half to Jazil, Jazil was bred a bit better to go the Belmont distance... JMO.

[Getaway]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I believe that while Rags is a half to Jazil, Jazil was bred a bit better to go the Belmont distance... JMO.

?? AP Indy was bred for and could run all day

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I believe that while Rags is a half to Jazil, Jazil was bred a bit better to go the Belmont distance... JMO.

Well, I think looking at pedigrees, Jazil would be suspect for stamina (obviously not), certainly Rags has a more stamina-laden sire side, AP Indy was about as well bred as a horse can be imo. Since I feel stamina comes mainly from dam side, I have to conclude they are equal. This has been argued back and forth forever here, I simply think the Belmont is an odd place to try the best 3yo filly in training against the boys...two winners in history, neither at 12 furlongs. If I was gonna run my filly against the boys at three...I'd probably look at the Preakness after a prep in the SA Derby or Blue Grass. Honestly, I'd prefer to wait for something at four...maybe the Donn...then consider races such as the Whitney later in the year...just my preference. Of course, now days, most quality horses are retired by then.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Well, I think looking at pedigrees, Jazil would be suspect for stamina (obviously not), certainly Rags has a more stamina-laden sire side, AP Indy was about as well bred as a horse can be imo. Since I feel stamina comes mainly from dam side, I have to conclude they are equal. This has been argued back and forth forever here, I simply think the Belmont is an odd place to try the best 3yo filly in training against the boys...two winners in history, neither at 12 furlongs. If I was gonna run my filly against the boys at three...I'd probably look at the Preakness after a prep in the SA Derby or Blue Grass. Honestly, I'd prefer to wait for something at four...maybe the Donn...then consider races such as the Whitney later in the year...just my preference. Of course, now days, most quality horses are retired by then.

I must be a nut then... I bet Jazil in the Belmont BECAUSE of his pedigree.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I must be a nut then... I bet Jazil in the Belmont BECAUSE of his pedigree.

well, the horse has won a mdn race and the Belmont...period. A plodder with no speed who caught the right field in the Belmont imo. Dad is Seeking the Gold by Mr Prospector (RAN) out of the Buckpasser mare Con Game. Outside of Buckpasser, I see little to suggest a Belmont winner...DP=11-3-14-0-0. Again, I look more at Dam side but overall, no stamina points in DP and with only a mdn win going in...he caught the right field on the right day imo.