Overrated Jockeys

Originally Posted by Sweetness

I couldn't agree more with Albarado, now he GETS horses beat. I'll agree with Guidry, Bridgmohan, Nakatani, Emigh (who I think is very underrated), but I can't stand the Mig. I just think he is spotty. like today he looked great but, a lot of the times he is average. For my money Javier Castallano is great. In my opinion the best turf rider out there, and I know I may be stretching a bit, but he consistently finishes, and is usually a fair price. Aside from the obvious Johnny V., Prado and Solis I think Castellano is the new wave of star jocks, along with my favorite frenchman Laparoux.

Mig "spotty"??

The guy has ridden on the biggest premire circuit in the world for the last 25 years. A "spotty" rider does not do that.

And have you seen some of the sh!t the mig has had to put up with. He's got more metal in him than the Terminator. And on top of that hes been on some pretty bad horses as of late, but I am sure that he will still be in the top 8 at saratoga. He does it almost every year.

So do tell me how he is a "spotty" rider.

Originally Posted by belmont park is the best

Mig "spotty"??

The guy has ridden on the biggest premire circuit in the world for the last 25 years. A "spotty" rider does not do that.

And have you seen some of the sh!t the mig has had to put up with. He's got more metal in him than the Terminator. And on top of that hes been on some pretty bad horses as of late, but I am sure that he will still be in the top 8 at saratoga. He does it almost every year.

So do tell me how he is a "spotty" rider.

Yeah I know Mig's a warrior and all, and he's been better as of late. But he's been a fringe player on the circuit for those 25 years. He has never really stepped up to the big time, winning stake races consistently, and that is why I say he is spotty. I'm going to disagree with the top 8 this year, way too tough a colony.

Originally Posted by Sweetness

Yeah I know Mig's a warrior and all, and he's been better as of late. But he's been a fringe player on the circuit for those 25 years. He has never really stepped up to the big time, winning stake races consistently, and that is why I say he is spotty. I'm going to disagree with the top 8 this year, way too tough a colony.

I will make you a bet that he is 8th or above. He nowhere near what you call a fringe rider either. The guy can ride with the best and has proven it for the last 25 years. He is also stronger on a horse than any other jockey in the Ny room.

Who will be the 8 above him at toga than eh buddy?

Oh and one more thing.

If you put your precious Javier or any other jockey you think is not "spotty" through what mig has been through they all would have retired years ago. And if you were at belmont the day mig broke his leg and heard it freakin snap I'm sure you would have the same thoughts about him being a spotty rider.

[blackthroatedwind]

There is no rider more courageous than Mig. None. You should see the X-Rays of his arm, I have, with the 19 or whatever screws in it from when it got snapped in half. And, he was hanging out with me at Belmont one week later.

I believe to metal plates also. He has broken his neck to and had to go through the whole halo thing. Nobody is tougher than him.

[blackthroatedwind]

Titanium rods actually.

Originally Posted by belmont park is the best

I will make you a bet that he is 8th or above. He nowhere near what you call a fringe rider either. The guy can ride with the best and has proven it for the last 25 years. He is also stronger on a horse than any other jockey in the Ny room.

Who will be the 8 above him at toga than eh buddy?

Hmmm, lets see I don't know, Johnny V, Prado, Coa, Cornelio, Bejarano, Leparoux, Dominguez(if he comes), Castellano, Gomez, Desormeaux, Luzzi, just to name a few. He's currently 9th at Belmont, and that's without Bejarano, Dominguez, Leparoux and Johnny V, who will all have more than the Mig.

I will bet you money that he will be top 8.

let me know you email adress and we can finalize it.

your nothing but a puss* who doesnt understand how a jockey's business works, and has the nerve to call a guy who is coming off injury in which he missed out on a breeders cup win and is now coming back with an inadequete agent. Yet he still has won nearly 20 races. Like I said put the "great rider" javier who had only the guy who runs nyra, (terry meyocks) help him get mounts and get going. Put him through what migs had to deal with and he would either be riding with brother abel at calder or retired. Nobody has had to deal with what he has and its a shame because hes the only guy who would ever deal with it.

Originally Posted by belmont park is the best

I will bet you money that he will be top 8.

let me know you email adress and we can finalize it.

your nothing but a puss* who doesnt understand how a jockey's business works, and has the nerve to call a guy who is coming off injury in which he missed out on a breeders cup win and is now coming back with an inadequete agent. Yet he still has won nearly 20 races. Like I said put the "great rider" javier who had only the guy who runs nyra, (terry meyocks) help him get mounts and get going. Put him through what migs had to deal with and he would either be riding with brother abel at calder or retired. Nobody has had to deal with what he has and its a shame because hes the only guy who would ever deal with it.

That's an interesting answer. No one is questioning Migs heart, just his ability. And come on, no way Artie gets up if spaghetti arms is riding. Just don't see him cracking the top ten with that colony. Can't wait for the excuses though when he isn't. As for Castellano I guess he's garbage. Thats why he rides for some of the best barns in NYRA, just like the Mig. Oh wait.

Migs lucky Shannon Uske is hurt, or Jerkens wouldn't be giving him some mercy mounts. I guess Tyrone Carter or Andrew Lakeman were unavailable.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

These people (Grether guys) are wheeler dealers.I wouldn't be surprised if they were willing to sell him.Like you said,they cut him.So,they have to win money in stakes or high allowance if they are gunna get the value from this horse.Wouldn't surprise me if they would rather make money quickly(rather than have to keep the horse healthy,and run him.)Wouldn't surprise me if they took the sure thing.I remember Zucker saying that when he goes to sales,he has to get bargains etc.,and I don't think he has better clients than Grether.To be honest,I think they would rather sell than take a chance on the horse getting hurt(and then they have a nice horse who they end up losing money on.)I don't think these are the type that turn down sure money.He isn't proven in stakes yet.So they probably have a gelded animal they paid 200k for.They may have gotten 60k in earnings from him.They have no stud value.I bet they would cash out if somebody offered them what they paid originally.Remember,they cut him.They are in recovery mode.I am not sure it was 200k.Somebody else will probably remember what they paid.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by belmont park is the best

Mig "spotty"?? The guy has ridden on the biggest premire circuit in the world for the last 25 years. A "spotty" rider does not do that. And have you seen some of the sh!t the mig has had to put up with. He's got more metal in him than the Terminator. And on top of that hes been on some pretty bad horses as of late, but I am sure that he will still be in the top 8 at saratoga. He does it almost every year.

So do tell me how he is a "spotty" rider.

Mig's been one of my faves for years and years... I'd also add to the above that he's overcome one debilitating major injury after another including the mistakenly re-set broken arm that could have ended his career.

[SentToStud]

my $0.02...

Mig's a favorite of mine. Still going strong and he's overcome a lot.

In general.... The California jocks are overrated. Small fields in almost all the better races. They rarely need to adjust or adapt. Plus the syle of racing in SoCal is far different than back east. In Cali, they ride like hell to the quarter pole and hope to crawl home first. East coast it's more the opposite ... the jocks back east ride to get position then work from the 3/8 on in. PVal would make the top 5 at any meet but any of the others?

Apprentices are overrated. LeParoux, Rosie, Garcia. Cannot put them in the same sentence as top riders until they prove it after dropping the bug. 5 lbs may not be enough to win any one race, but it means an awful lot over several hundred races. Whatever happened to Foglesonger?

Jockeys who dominate lesser circuits are overrated. I.E., Bravo looks like Arcaro every year in Jersey, but looks very ordinary at Gulfstream. Happens every year. Another is Castro. Doing ok at Monmouth but last year at Calder, he looked great on everything he rode. Now, his inexperience is being exposed and there's been some races he's looked just awful, especially routing on turf. There are very few, if any, top jocks at lesser tracks who can compete with the big boys... Ramon, arguably can. Russell Baze? Nope. Castro? No. Jeremy? Arguably maybe, but I say no.

IMO, the top jockeys are easy to identify. They're the top money winners.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Apprentices are overrated. LeParoux, Rosie, Garcia. Cannot put them in the same sentence as top riders until they prove it after dropping the bug. 5 lbs may not be enough to win any one race, but it means an awful lot over several hundred races. Whatever happened to Foglesonger?

Jockeys who dominate lesser circuits are overrated. I.E., Bravo looks like Arcaro every year in Jersey, but looks very ordinary at Gulfstream. Happens every year. Another is Castro. Doing ok at Monmouth but last year at Calder, he looked great on everything he rode. Now, his inexperience is being exposed and there's been some races he's looked just awful, especially routing on turf. There are very few, if any, top jocks at lesser tracks who can compete with the big boys... Ramon, arguably can. Russell Baze? Nope. Castro? No. Jeremy? Arguably maybe, but I say no.

As you suggest, apprentices may be over-rated skill-wise, but the weight allowance sometimes makes them look good. The top apprentices usually have a pretty good ROI.

In fact, isn't this a pretty good argument against those that say weight isn't important at all in capping? We routinely see apprentices drop by the wayside after they lose the bug.

I agree with what you said about the jockeys from lesser circuits.

--Dunbar

[Dunbar]

What the heck is that avatar, kasept!? Bring back the Neccos!!

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--Dunbar