Put Over At Belmont??

[cmorioles]

This apparently will come to as a shock to some, so brace yourselves. Sometimes horses win at long odds and the connections are as surprised, or more, than the public is. If this was truly a putover, there is simply no way the horse pays 66 to 1.

[The Bid]

It was a put over, look at his work chart and the guys stats. There is no doubt they knew that horse could run, I doubt they were surprised

[cmorioles]

I put over usually involves at least some betting action. I don't see any here.

[The Bid]

Phil has a first hand account the horse was live per golf outting. The horses pedigree almost makes you stab at a firster, and the work three before the run was a monster move, followed by two dog slow works. To me it looked like they tried TOO hard to make him look bad on paper. Look at the form, it is one that you stare at for a while and try to figure out what they are doing.

[blackthroatedwind]

The likelihood that this horse was a putover is very close to zero.

[randallscott35]

Wow, you put 2 question marks on a thread and boy you take a lot of **** for it....B/c he didn't take much in the way of money he wasn't a putover, but I was surprised how professional he was....And for the record, I believe his last 2 works were the slowest on the tab....But thanks, hooves in particular for that nice post of yours. Some of you guys scare me quite frankly. Disagreeing with someone and then turning it into a question of ignorance is 2 entirely different things.

[The Bid]

Does that barn not play BTW, because it sure looked on paper like that horse had a little talent and the hand was tipped in the work pattern.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Wow, you put 2 question marks on a thread and boy you take a lot of **** for it....B/c he didn't take much in the way of money he wasn't a putover, but I was surprised how professional he was....And for the record, I believe his last 2 works were the slowest on the tab....But thanks, hooves in particular for that nice post of yours. Some of you guys scare me quite frankly. Disagreeing with someone and then turning it into a question of ignorance is 2 entirely different things.

Randall, you made a comment " but what could Gregg honestly put down anyway? " that displayed a complete lack of understanding...i.e ignorance. As I said, my comments weren't intended as a personal attack, but only the truth. Saying someone is " ignorant " about something they speak about is not an insult.

If you actually knew some facts about the person you spoke of you would understand the situation better. Sometimes making comments here without knowing any facts can be dangerous. In this case you put your foot in your mouth.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Phil has a first hand account the horse was live per golf outting. The horses pedigree almost makes you stab at a firster, and the work three before the run was a monster move, followed by two dog slow works. To me it looked like they tried TOO hard to make him look bad on paper. Look at the form, it is one that you stare at for a while and try to figure out what they are doing.

It's my bad for not mentioning it. I totally forgot with the hoopla of Churchill to even look at the entries. Glad you made a score on him!

He was 66-1 because Matties was 0-33 on the year + didn't have much success with firsters, had a crap jockey up, and wasn't even for his main client (his brother). You bet $200 on his nose and it doesn't move the odds much in a NY pool.

[Skip away]

What you mean "put over"?

[hockey2315]

Runs back tommorow and I cam't figure out if he has any shot. . . Any thoughts?

[golfer]

From a TG fig standpoint, he would simply have to improve a bit off his debut 9, which is competitive with most of the field.