Kobe the most criticized...

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

His teamates stink. It does not matter what you do if they cant help. This is not high school. Kobe may have run off Shaq but it was Laker management that traded Caron Butler, an allstar this year by the way, for Kwame Brown. You dont have to like Kobe but to blame him for the Lakers for being a crap team is wrong on many levels.

Who did Jordan have for a center? Bill Cartwright, Luke Longley, Will Perdue... they were pitiful. Name a modern team that has won an NBA championship with Bigmen worse than these. Yes he had Pippen and Grant, but Im sorry that was not a super talented team. Jordan took advantage of Paxon and Kerr's abilities. He was able to use Rodman when he was already off the deep end. (No Chuck Daley to control Rodman). Those Chicago teams were Jordan with a dash of Pippen and they played TEAM ball.
Kobe will never be ever to develop the individual talents of mediocre players like Jordan did, unless he starts to understand what a leader really is. He has not a clue at this point. And there are many ways to lead. Duncan leads by letting Popovich chew him out in front of his teammates so the team as a whole buys into what they must do to win because the Spurs are just not that talented. There are many ways to make your team better as the best player.

When the Lakers get a real point guard (and Kobe lets the PG run things if he can contain himself; Jordan let BJ Armstrong, not close to a superstar) then we will know for sure. Until then, we will look at an extraordinarily talented player go nowhere. The real telling thing is Kobe and Shaq were both dissatisfied when things went wrong. How does that happen? It would not have happened with a guy like Jordan talking to Shaq.

Yeah the Spurs don't have veterans and they sure as hell don't have any talent outside of Duncan. WTF? Just cut the homer sh.it and say you don't like Kobe. Your points are ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Yeah the Spurs don't have veterans and they sure as hell don't have any talent outside of Duncan. WTF? Just cut the homer sh.it and say you don't like Kobe. Your points are ridiculous.

Pillow likes me.

Parker is super fast. Ginobili is super funky. Outside of that we got a bunch of retreads that know how to the game since you already mentioned Duncan. The Spurs of 1999 would blow the current team out of the water. We are officially older and slower.

At least I am a realistic homer.

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Who did Jordan have for a center? Bill Cartwright, Luke Longley, Will Perdue... they were pitiful. Name a modern team that has won an NBA championship with Bigmen worse than these. Yes he had Pippen and Grant, but Im sorry that was not a super talented team. Jordan took advantage of Paxon and Kerr's abilities. He was able to use Rodman when he was already off the deep end. (No Chuck Daley to control Rodman). Those Chicago teams were Jordan with a dash of Pippen and they played TEAM ball.
Kobe will never be ever to develop the individual talents of mediocre players like Jordan did, unless he starts to understand what a leader really is. He has not a clue at this point. And there are many ways to lead. Duncan leads by letting Popovich chew him out in front of his teammates so the team as a whole buys into what they must do to win because the Spurs are just not that talented. There are many ways to make your team better as the best player.

When the Lakers get a real point guard (and Kobe lets the PG run things if he can contain himself; Jordan let BJ Armstrong, not close to a superstar) then we will know for sure. Until then, we will look at an extraordinarily talented player go nowhere. The real telling thing is Kobe and Shaq were both dissatisfied when things went wrong. How does that happen? It would not have happened with a guy like Jordan talking to Shaq.

........ remember Pgdn, kobe came in he was 19 and looked up to shaq......the colorado fiasco killed that relationship. plus shaq is very sensitive and childish.....he was always from day 1 busting kobes balls. whatever, its a done deal. kobe is on a glorified c.b.a roster, far worse that jordon took to the playoffs.

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Who did Jordan have for a center? Bill Cartwright, Luke Longley, Will Perdue... they were pitiful. Name a modern team that has won an NBA championship with Bigmen worse than these. Yes he had Pippen and Grant, but Im sorry that was not a super talented team. Jordan took advantage of Paxon and Kerr's abilities. He was able to use Rodman when he was already off the deep end. (No Chuck Daley to control Rodman). Those Chicago teams were Jordan with a dash of Pippen and they played TEAM ball.
Kobe will never be ever to develop the individual talents of mediocre players like Jordan did, unless he starts to understand what a leader really is. He has not a clue at this point. And there are many ways to lead. Duncan leads by letting Popovich chew him out in front of his teammates so the team as a whole buys into what they must do to win because the Spurs are just not that talented. There are many ways to make your team better as the best player.

When the Lakers get a real point guard (and Kobe lets the PG run things if he can contain himself; Jordan let BJ Armstrong, not close to a superstar) then we will know for sure. Until then, we will look at an extraordinarily talented player go nowhere. The real telling thing is Kobe and Shaq were both dissatisfied when things went wrong. How does that happen? It would not have happened with a guy like Jordan talking to Shaq.

Centers are not important in the triangle offense except as rebounders and post defenders which all of the aforementioned centers were. Kwame Brown would not have played one minute for those teams. He does nothing well. Terrible player.
B.J. Armstrong was a much better point man than Smush. Why I am I even debating this? It is absurd. The Lakers have a barely functioning team and if you replaced Kobe with an average NBA player at his position they would win maybe 20 games.
By the way the Lakers would not be much better off with Shaq because he is finished as a dominant player.
Kobe is a self absorbed ego maniac. That is a given. But the problems that the Lakers are having are the cause of management getting trapped with bad contracts and weak players. They are the west coast version of the Knicks except they have a true star.