Fallon barred from British racing

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

I wonder if he went to the same riding school as Garret Gomez.

Not that GG is a bad rider. He's thrown a few clunkers too.
Just inconsistent.

GG looks like Arcaro/Cordero one race and a ten pound bug boy the next. I just can't for the life of me figure out how someone so talented can be so Jekyl and Hydish.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by oracle80

GG looks like Arcaro/Cordero one race and a ten pound bug boy the next. I just can't for the life of me figure out how someone so talented can be so Jekyl and Hydish.

Agree Mike.
The one that doesn't seem to get the credit in my opinion is Eibar Coa.
Sure, he rides rough at times..but his desire to win with whatever he's on is evident.

Then there was an earlier thread comparing Gomez to Prado.... gimme a break!
Is there really a comparison?
Edgar P is the BEST!

[Seattleallstar]

King Kieren is only 2nd to Frankie Dettori

3rd best jocks is JR Velasquez

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Agree Mike.
The one that doesn't seem to get the credit in my opinion is Eibar Coa.
Sure, he rides rough at times..but his desire to win with whatever he's on is evident.

Then there was an earlier thread comparing Gomez to Prado.... gimme a break!
Is there really a comparison?
Edgar P is the BEST!

You are right that you can't compare Gomez to Prado. Gomez has 100x more talent than Prado. I have to hand it to Prado though, for a guy that does not have that much talent, he is certainly an overachiever. He is obviously an intelligent rider and he usually gives good rides in big races. He may not look great coming down the lane, but he gets the job done. In terms of talent, I don't think Prado is in the league of Gomez, Espinoza, Valenzuela, etc.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

You are right that you can't compare Gomez to Prado. Gomez has 100x more talent than Prado. I have to hand it to Prado though, for a guy that does not have that much talent, he is certainly an overachiever. He is obviously an intelligent rider and he usually gives good rides in big races. He may not look great coming down the lane, but he gets the job done. In terms of talent, I don't think Prado is in the league of Gomez, Espinoza, Valenzuela, etc.

But Rupert, talent doesnt win races, good rides do. I know Gomez has talent, but at what point do his indefensibly and inexplicably bad rides become unforgivable?
Part of being a professional in any walk of life is to be mentally prepared for your job. Obviously Edgar, Johnny, and the others read the DRF and study pp's and go out there with he right frame of mind. GG is streaky which is the mark of an unstable guy or manic guy. He seems to get in a groove and then just lose it. Thats not acceptable at the highets level of the game. Prado lacks his strength and timing but his rides are well planned and executed and delivered. I dont give a rats ass about talent, give me the hard working guy who just gets the damn job done. Thats what America is all about, a point that should not be forgotten on this country's birthday.

[Scav]

I thought he won a couple, I must have had him in those races for me to have that opinion then...I know he won 3-5 races, maybe I had him in those races and formed a gamblers opinion

Originally Posted by oracle80

But Rupert, talent doesnt win races, good rides do. I know Gomez has talent, but at what point do his indefensibly and inexplicably bad rides become unforgivable?
Part of being a professional in any walk of life is to be mentally prepared for your job. Obviously Edgar, Johnny, and the others read the DRF and study pp's and go out there with he right frame of mind. GG is streaky which is the mark of an unstable guy or manic guy. He seems to get in a groove and then just lose it. Thats not acceptable at the highets level of the game. Prado lacks his strength and timing but his rides are well planned and executed and delivered. I dont give a rats ass about talent, give me the hard working guy who just gets the damn job done. Thats what America is all about, a point that should not be forgotten on this country's birthday.

Very well said.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by oracle80

But Rupert, talent doesnt win races, good rides do. I know Gomez has talent, but at what point do his indefensibly and inexplicably bad rides become unforgivable?
Part of being a professional in any walk of life is to be mentally prepared for your job. Obviously Edgar, Johnny, and the others read the DRF and study pp's and go out there with he right frame of mind. GG is streaky which is the mark of an unstable guy or manic guy. He seems to get in a groove and then just lose it. Thats not acceptable at the highets level of the game. Prado lacks his strength and timing but his rides are well planned and executed and delivered. I dont give a rats ass about talent, give me the hard working guy who just gets the damn job done. Thats what America is all about, a point that should not be forgotten on this country's birthday.

I agree with you that Gomez has not been as consistent this year as last year. Last year he was unbelievable. He went 6 months without giving a bad ride. This year he's certainly given some questionable rides. But by the same token, he moves horses up so much that he has won races that other jocks probably wouldn't have won on.
Anyway, I'm hoping to see him start riding as consistently as he did last year. As good of a year as he's had in terms of money won, I still think he can ride more consistently than he's ridden this year. All of that being said, I would certainly ride him before I would ride Prado.

This is the first I've heard about this ... and all I know is what I've read here ... but ...

... from the apparent thoroughness of the investigation conducted by the British police ... I wouldn't wager that anyone named as a suspect is completely innocent.

'Tis a shame ... thoroughbred racing doesn't need any more beatings than it has already endured.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

This is the first I've heard about this ... and all I know is what I've read here ... but ...

... from the apparent thoroughness of the investigation conducted by the British police ... I wouldn't wager that anyone named as a suspect is completely innocent.

'Tis a shame ... thoroughbred racing doesn't need any more beatings than it has already endured.

Exactly! When police do an extensive investigation and then make an arrest, it's not very often that the suspect is innocent. Once in a while the person is innocent, but it's probably about 1% of the time. If you think he's innocent, you sure aren't playing the odds.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Exactly! When police do an extensive investigation and then make an arrest, it's not very often that the suspect is innocent. Once in a while the person is innocent, but it's probably about 1% of the time. If you think he's innocent, you sure aren't playing the odds.

Duh me! Duh me!
Key words seem to be "innocent until proven guilty".
Seems you've already convicted him...1% or not.
Thank you.
God has spoken.
As for me, I'll wait for the trial, God.

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Duh me! Duh me!
Key words seem to be "innocent until proven guilty".
Seems you've already convicted him...1% or not.
Thank you.
God has spoken.
As for me, I'll wait for the trial, God.

I'll wait for the trial too. It seems everyone connected to anything is guilty today. When they investigate and they are not guilty they get a little story on page 50.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Duh me! Duh me!
Key words seem to be "innocent until proven guilty".
Seems you've already convicted him...1% or not.
Thank you.
God has spoken.
As for me, I'll wait for the trial, God.

I love this post..... can i frame it?

[brockguy]

I find it hard how the evidence will be so watertight that he will be proven guilty. Surely with Coolmore's backing, they will get the best guys available to get him out. I seriously doubt that his chances are 1% or less of being innocent..

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Duh me! Duh me!
Key words seem to be "innocent until proven guilty".
Seems you've already convicted him...1% or not.
Thank you.
God has spoken.
As for me, I'll wait for the trial, God.

I have no idea if he's guilty or not. I was responding to a couple of the others who said he's probably innocent. It's pretty unlikely that he's innocent but it's certainly possible. He certainly deserves a fair trial. He could be one of the few that is innocent. The odds are against it, but it is possible.
I have an open mind. The last time I served on a jury, I would have voted to acquit the defendant. I was an alternate so I didn't end up getting to vote but I would have voted to acquit if I had the chance. It was a federal trial. It was one of those cases where the government was totally overstepping their bounds. The guy shouldn't have been charged with anything. He really didn't do anything criminal. There were some legitimate civil issues that he could have been sued for but I didn't see any criminal behavior.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

This is the first I've heard about this ... and all I know is what I've read here ... but ...

... from the apparent thoroughness of the investigation conducted by the British police ... I wouldn't wager that anyone named as a suspect is completely innocent.

'Tis a shame ... thoroughbred racing doesn't need any more beatings than it has already endured.

Well at least you admit this is the first you've heard about this..... it's gone on and on and on......

Surely even you will concede that the innocent are, at times, unfairly targeted and slandered.