Hard Spun's Condition.......Fit Or Fatigued

[ShadowRoll]

Didn't this happen before -- where the horse worked extra fast and Mario said he misjudged it because the horse was moving so easy? Or am I thinking of someone else? But if I'm right, it'd be nice to know how the horse did in the next race right after that work.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by ShadowRoll

Didn't this happen before -- where the horse worked extra fast and Mario said he misjudged it because the horse was moving so easy? Or am I thinking of someone else? But if I'm right, it'd be nice to know how the horse did in the next race right after that work.

Yeah, with a little colt that was born not far from you

[ShadowRoll]

Originally Posted by philcski

Yeah, with a little colt that was born not far from you

Oh...yeah. But I meant, didn't it happen before with Hard Spun?

[todko]

He came out of the work very well. If anything, that work may take some of the edge off him. He's bred to get the distance. Must use. Particularly if we see mud. The closers will be buried in it.

[Cannon Shell]

Like the horse, wary of the jock

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Like the horse, wary of the jock

I figured you were going to say "(Horse X) has no shot."

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I figured you were going to say "(Horse X) has no shot."

I am worried by a jockey that cant tell how fast he is going. I understand that there are some jocks that are not great in the mornings that are fine in the races but very few of those win the derby

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I am worried by a jockey that cant tell how fast he is going. I understand that there are some jocks that are not great in the mornings that are fine in the races but very few of those win the derby

Have you used Pino before? Any success with him?

He's won what, 6,000 races. He's far from incompetent, although the comment of "I didn't realize how fast he was going" is worrysome.

[docicu3]

Living in Maryland Mario is pretty well thought of on this circuit as a cagey middle aged jock with almost 5000 wins I think Chuck....

Do I have this wrong??? I mean is he considered top 10 or did he take his career as far as it could have gone?? Probably not but is he really that much of a liability because of the missed time???

Is there any chance that this was the plan all along to train this horse hard for 5 F thinking because his breeding seems to imply decent pedigree for 12 panels that the sheepish "I didn't think it was that fast" is just Pino playing possum and working us all. Was Carl obviously pissed at Mario ove rthe workout or was it less obvious trainer and jock were on the wrong page?

[todko]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I am worried by a jockey that cant tell how fast he is going. I understand that there are some jocks that are not great in the mornings that are fine in the races but very few of those win the derby

That is a seriously good point. We'll know what happened if Spun is leading by 10 going into the clubhouse turn .