Performance Figures (PFs) vs Beyer Speed Figures (BSFs)

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by alphanumeric1

Didn't mean to duplicate your thread last night. I didn't notice it. Sorry. Nonetheless...thanks for your thoughts. I don't like the raw Beyer numbers. Hope others have some more opinions.

What are your reasons for not liking the raw beyer numbers? And they better be HARD FACTS.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by moodwalker

What are your reasons for not liking the raw beyer numbers? And they better be HARD FACTS.

Now, be nice! Just cause you caught hell on another thread...lol! To me, I simply think Roman's numbers are better...Dr Roman is a research scientist by trade, Beyer is not. Racing is far from a science I understand that but I just have more faith in Dr Roman's methodology because it is rooted in research methodology...Beyer numbers are an improvement over the old DRF numbers and less work than establishing your own par numbers (impossible for a race like the Derby anyway) but I think at times they are misleading...for me at least. I've had better luck with PF's so far...

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Now, be nice! Just cause you caught hell on another thread...lol! To me, I simply think Roman's numbers are better...Dr Roman is a research scientist by trade, Beyer is not. Racing is far from a science I understand that but I just have more faith in Dr Roman's methodology because it is rooted in research methodology...Beyer numbers are an improvement over the old DRF numbers and less work than establishing your own par numbers (impossible for a race like the Derby anyway) but I think at times they are misleading...for me at least. I've had better luck with PF's so far...

I'm just messing with you...

[alphanumeric1]

I'm basically a trip adjusted handicapping kind a guy. I was raised on Beyers. I believe in numbers. Trips and pace are probably more relevant for this Derby. So... I 'm always trying to dig into the raw number and make it more relevant.