Street Sense Not For Me....

miraja2 · #1 04-30-2007, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by moodwalker

I don't think he disliked Keeneland.

I think he popped a huge effort in the BC and isn't any better than the rest of the crop.

One impressive victory at two, two preps where he didn't stand out, and a few workouts at churchill and he will be the favorite.

Doesn't add up to me.

I'm leaving him off.

And AGS doesn't have a shot in my opinion.

Circular Quay is the one.

It seems a bit strange to me for you to toss Street Sense if you like CQ. If you think the race is going to have a pace scenario that sets up nicely for CQ, wouldn't that also be a favorable pace scenario for Street Sense?
If you are going deep and betting TRIs and Supers, leaving SS off seems like a poor move to me.
It is at least possible that he is quite simply the best horse in this crop on dirt.

tywizard · #2 04-30-2007, 06:07 PM

SS's two impressive victories have been the result of an open rail - with 20 gunning, I'm not going to count on him getting the rail....I liked him until watching the major preps...in my opinion he has benefited from perfect trips that will simply not exist on Saturday...

declansharbor · #3 04-30-2007, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tywizard

SS's two impressive victories have been the result of an open rail - with 20 gunning, I'm not going to count on him getting the rail....I liked him until watching the major preps...in my opinion he has benefited from perfect trips that will simply not exist on Saturday...

In which way was the Bluegrass a perfect trip?? And the only reason the rail was open in the TB derby was because he outran the other midpack horses to get a clean crack at it.. I dont think he needs the rail anyways, we will find out saturday

Scurlogue Champ · #4 04-30-2007, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor

In which way was the Bluegrass a perfect trip?? And the only reason the rail was open in the TB derby was because he outran the other midpack horses to get a clean crack at it.. I dont think he needs the rail anyways, we will find out saturday

I don't think the Bluegrass was a "perfect trip." But I do think that he was clear and outside with plenty of time to assert himself as the cream of the crop.

.......He didn't.

declansharbor · #5 04-30-2007, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by moodwalker

I don't think the Bluegrass was a "perfect trip." But I do think that he was clear and outside with plenty of time to assert himself as the cream of the crop.

.......He didn't.

That race is a total TOSS because of the setup..

Scurlogue Champ · #6 04-30-2007, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor

That race is a total TOSS because of the setup..

It might be a total toss to you, but not to me. He was even with all others and driving and didn't separate himself or win.

Dominican outran him...

declansharbor · #7 04-30-2007, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by moodwalker

It might be a total toss to you, but not to me. He was even with all others and driving and didn't separate himself or win.

Dominican outran him...

I'm not saying that he is my hosre for the derby..I like DOminican more than I like him, but to leave him off your tickets would be a mistake at this point. IMO.. I'm not trying to dissuade you, as we need the best odds possible on him..

ARyan · #8 04-30-2007, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by moodwalker

It might be a total toss to you, but not to me. He was even with all others and driving and didn't separate himself or win.

Dominican outran him...

Since when has a nose loss been being outrun? Just curious...

Dominican got him, but I don't think SS was cranked for the Bluegrass. Coming out of a HUGE battle with AGS, why would you want to run him as hard as you can, knowing the Derby is the true goal.

I don't know if he will win, but leaving him off all your tickets isn't a wise choise. SS will be on all my tickets.

clydewine · #9 05-01-2007, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by moodwalker

It might be a total toss to you, but not to me. He was even with all others and driving and didn't separate himself or win.

Dominican outran him...

SS had 8 more lbs in a 300 yard dash after running a mile

tywizard · #10 04-30-2007, 06:14 PM

Sorry - I was not talking about the Bluegrass as he did not win, get the rail or have a perfect trip....

miraja2 · #11 04-30-2007, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tywizard

SS's two impressive victories have been the result of an open rail - with 20 gunning, I'm not going to count on him getting the rail....I liked him until watching the major preps...in my opinion he has benefited from perfect trips that will simply not exist on Saturday...

You might be right about this. Maybe he does "need" the rail. At this point though, he is too scary for me to leave off, because he also might NOT be a "need-the-rail" type.

todko · #12 04-30-2007, 06:55 PM

It's doubtfull he'll be on the top of any of my tickets. Can't see him catching Curlin. He won't get a dream rail trip and he didn't show much in the Bluegrass.

mclem10011 · #13 04-30-2007, 08:53 PM

Your tickets, would be a huge mistake IMO. I agree with the comment, Natzger will have this horse primed. But of course in this large of a field, the trip will tell the tale, this horse gets in a lane at the top of the stretch, he's got the kick to beat any of these.

Scurlogue Champ · #14 04-30-2007, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

It seems a bit strange to me for you to toss Street Sense if you like CQ. If you think the race is going to have a pace scenario that sets up nicely for CQ, wouldn't that also be a favorable pace scenario for Street Sense?
If you are going deep and betting TRIs and Supers, leaving SS off seems like a poor move to me.
It is at least possible that he is quite simply the best horse in this crop on dirt.

I don't think Street Sense is the same type of horse as Circular Quay. I don't think he gets the rail and I don't think he finishes if he is put in a position to win on Saturday.

The pace setup will be good, and Circular Quay will eat it up in my opinion. We will see how wrong I am on Saturday though. I might be on here eating crow for hours and laughing at how stupid I was. But I'm not wavering until then. I think Street Sense is a toss.

estreetposse · #15 04-30-2007, 06:33 PM

"But SS wasn't fully cranked in the Bluegrass..." I read this elsewhere, I think its crap, if he wasn't cranked then Borel must have been as he cracked him a dozen times down the stretch...if he was or is the best, he should have overcome any adversity and won. Leave him off all, probably not...but looking elsewhere on top.

estreetposse · #16 04-30-2007, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I guess I see what you are saying and I don't buy the whole not fully cranked thing either, but in all fairness he lost by a nose. Wasn't like he was disgraced. To me Nafzger is the key here as I have a ton of respect for him as a horseman. He knows what he is doing and is supposedly doing great and training great.

I don't disgrace him or Nafzger, I guess I'm just trying to open up some eyes or widen the tunnel around here.

JDank34 · #17 04-30-2007, 07:11 PM

does anyone here remember the lanes end breeders futurity? 3 weeks prior to the BC juvy...SS made the lead and then was caught, only to absolutly demolish the rest of his generation in the BC. anyone who thinks a horse is "cranked" every race is insane and has never been around a racehorse. by the way did Unbridled win the Bluegrass? huummmmmm

#18 04-30-2007, 07:13 PM

Throwout the Polycrack races and you've got a mean sob.

estreetposse · #19 04-30-2007, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JDank34

does anyone here remember the lanes end breeders futurity? 3 weeks prior to the BC juvy...SS made the lead and then was caught, only to absolutly demolish the rest of his generation in the BC. anyone who thinks a horse is "cranked" every race is insane and has never been around a racehorse. by the way did Unbridled win the Bluegrass? huummmmmm

Hey JD*nk, did I say every race he was cranked, NO, did I see him get whipped a dozen times down the stretch in the Bluegrass, YES. Is Nafzger Doctor F*@kin' Dolittle and tell his horse but not the jock to run 80-90% while gettin' yer ass whipped...please answer me that without being a jackass about it as I am legitimately curious about it. Prolly not gonna buy the poly was the reason as he was in the best parts of the track for that race.

ateamstupid · #20 04-30-2007, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by estreetposse

Hey JD*nk, did I say every race he was cranked, NO, did I see him get whipped a dozen times down the stretch in the Bluegrass, YES. Is Nafzger Doctor F*@kin' Dolittle and tell his horse but not the jock to run 80-90% while gettin' yer ass whipped...please answer me that without being a jackass about it as I am legitimately curious about it. Prolly not gonna buy the poly was the reason as he was in the best parts of the track for that race.

Dude, it's about fitness, not the whip. When people say that he wasn't cranked, they don't mean that the horse wasn't trying as hard as he could, they mean that he wasn't as fit as he will be for the Derby. You seem to think that it's impossible to have a horse more fit for one race than for another.