Gaza And Hamas

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

The land wasn't "given" to Israel ... the land WAS Israel.

And speaking of occupation ... don't Arabs belong in Arabia ... and aren't all the Arabs in north Africa, the Levant, and Mesopotamia there because they conquered those lands with bloody swords?

When are the Arabs going to return to their homeland in Arabia ... and end the occupation of all the lands they brutally conquered?

i thought britain controlled the area, and gave it to the israelites for their homeland? i'm talking the actual act back fifty some years ago, not ancient history and such.

On Saturday, Mr. Abbas told The Associated Press, "The Egyptian efforts have encountered difficulties because there is no partner in Hamas capable of making decisions."

He added, "The Hamas leadership abroad says that the decision is in the hands of the military wing in Gaza, while the military wing says that the decision must be made by the leadership abroad."



So this is what Israel has to deal with. And then of course Mr. Abbas has his own group splintered into parts. So I guess Israel feels they can only deal with them by pressuring the entire Gaza strip and uniting them. Mr. Olhmert has stated they will not sleep at night, they will know how the waiting feels while Israeli jets send sonic booms down on the general population every night periodically.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by pgardn

On Saturday, Mr. Abbas told The Associated Press, "The Egyptian efforts have encountered difficulties because there is no partner in Hamas capable of making decisions."

He added, "The Hamas leadership abroad says that the decision is in the hands of the military wing in Gaza, while the military wing says that the decision must be made by the leadership abroad."



So this is what Israel has to deal with. And then of course Mr. Abbas has his own group splintered into parts. So I guess Israel feels they can only deal with them by pressuring the entire Gaza strip and uniting them. Mr. Olhmert has stated they will not sleep at night, they will know how the waiting feels while Israeli jets send sonic booms down on the general population every night periodically.

Pat,
This article is interesting. Condelizza is involved now too.
http://apnews.myway.com//article/200...D8IK57BO0.html

Here it is again from your article DTS.

"This is unacceptable," Haniyeh said. "This will not break the will of the Palestinian people."



What the hell is the will of the Palestinian people? Israel will not be allowed to exist? We will not give the soldier back? We want.... what? They are speaking from so many directions it is impossible to deal with them at this point.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Here it is again from your article DTS.

"This is unacceptable," Haniyeh said. "This will not break the will of the Palestinian people."



What the hell is the will of the Palestinian people? Israel will not be allowed to exist? We will not give the soldier back? We want.... what? They are speaking from so many directions it is impossible to deal with them at this point.

Pat,
I agree that they are speaking from many directions.
In my humble view, it's plenty tough to negotiate when the power station has been destroyed, no water because the pumps are inoperable, bridges gone, and missiles into the headquarters.
At this point, my guess is that the "will" of the Palestinian people is just to survive. Seems to me that Israel has made the most of one kidnapped soldier.
I really am not against Israel, but the suffering they've imposed on the Palestinians is obvious.
Maybe, when there is fresh water to drink in Gaza, the thirst will be sated.
Calm heads can then sit at a table to discuss the "impossible".
I certainly hope so...but I don't see it at this point either.
DTS

[Downthestretch55]

A short article from the Boston Globe, posted today.
I can't imagine what it's like living there.
Tragic stuff.

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0710-23.htm

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

A short article from the Boston Globe, posted today.
I can't imagine what it's like living there.
Tragic stuff.

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0710-23.htm

Interesting read.

Too bad extremists such as Bold Brooklyn will label others anti-semetic just for looking at this with a modest degree of balance.

Herer's another viewpoint....

The Israeli's consider this "War" against the Palestinians. Yet when the soldier was captured, the Israelis and far-right factions of the press referred to his capture as "kidnapping" and illegal.

Independent Palestinian state? Israel says no. Why? Who knows.

Single state with full citizenship rights for Palestinians? Israel says no. Why? Who knows, though many posit that allowing potential Palistinian-Israelis to vote might actually get them some representation.

So, Palestinians continue to be held prisoner in their own land. Israel allows and perpetuates the corruption that may exist in Gaza because it preserves their interest which is to maintain the status quo.

For years, Arafat was gserved up by Israel as the roadblock, i.e., "No partner in Peace." That myth died last year.

Make no mistake. Israel holds all the cards here.

[somerfrost]

There don't seem to be any good solutions here...but folks must remember that the government of Israel is nothing if not predictable...is there anyone in the world who thought they wouldn't go for the throat once one of their's was kidnapped? I honestly believe the terrorists want this kind of response to galvanize the hatred against Israel and they are perfectly willing to sit and watch innocent Arab people suffer and die just to let this open sore fester! Israel will defend itself...by whatever means necessary! Like them or not, this is a certainty!!