Curlin

pointman · #1 04-26-2007, 04:03 PM

I can only hope that people keep looking to beat this horse, leaving better odds for me. Agree with you, the only two negatives I see at this point is Albarado and the possibility of getting a really bad post. I don't mind that he hasn't raced against the greastest competition, he has blown away everything thrown at him. Other than the Bluegrass, a race in which the results have given me nothing to use in factoring the derby, who has faced really good competition? Didn't a horse named Bernardini come into the Preakness last year off a similar record?

lemoncrush · #2 04-26-2007, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman

who has faced really good competition? Didn't a horse named Bernardini come into the Preakness last year off a similar record?

Who has faced good competition?
Scat Daddy, Stormello, Circular Quay, Great Hunter, Any Given Saturday, Street Sense, Nobiz Like Shobiz, Dominican, and just about every other horse in the field.

Curlin has a ton of talent, but running past Flying First Class and Deadly Dealer is not the same as going 1-1/4 miles against 19 other horses, many of whom have been through the wars and are battle tested.

slotdirt · #3 04-26-2007, 04:35 PM

Curlin is joining the ranks of Afleet Alex and Bernardini for most threads ever about one horse. Perhaps there can be a "Curlin" section in the main forum?

Curlin = Showing Up

Just my two cents.

Cajungator26 · #4 04-26-2007, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

Curlin is joining the ranks of Afleet Alex and Bernardini for most threads ever about one horse. Perhaps there can be a "Curlin" section in the main forum?

Curlin = Showing Up

Just my two cents.

Curlin = not ready for 10 furlongs.

ateamstupid · #5 04-26-2007, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Curlin = not ready for 10 furlongs.

You think that Scat Daddy is? I'd take Curlin at ten furlongs way before I'd take Scat Daddy.

Cajungator26 · #6 04-26-2007, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You think that Scat Daddy is? I'd take Curlin at ten furlongs way before I'd take Scat Daddy.

Not me... I'll admit I'm concerned about Scat Daddy getting that last 1/8th of a mile, but I think he'll be at the wire before Curlin.

ateamstupid · #7 04-26-2007, 04:48 PM

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Not me... I'll admit I'm concerned about Scat Daddy getting that last 1/8th of a mile, but I think he'll be at the wire before Curlin.

Fair enough. I don't think there's any median opinion on Curlin. Everyone seems to either think he'll win or get trounced.

alysheba4 · #8 04-26-2007, 05:39 PM

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You think that Scat Daddy is? I'd take Curlin at ten furlongs way before I'd take Scat Daddy.

........ i hear that, this horse along with S.S. look to be the 2 that will STILL be running ater 9 furlongs.

MarkyD · #9 04-26-2007, 08:23 PM

I think that Curlin does not deserve squat right now. If he wins the derby, then he gets my full respect.

To think of this guy being a ML favorite after 3 races, even if he has impressed.

I say this cause, SmartyJones destroyed opposition as a 2year old. 2-5 fav in the count fleet, no problem. Swept the Oaklawn meet and still went off at 5-1(ml 9/2).

So Curlin has no excuse to be anything under 8-1 IMO. If he wins good for him, but his odds have to be justified.

The Indomitable DrugS · #10 04-26-2007, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Curlin = not ready for 10 furlongs.

And which horse pointing to the race looked better than him at 9 furlongs?

#11 04-26-2007, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

And which horse pointing to the race looked better than him at 9 furlongs?

Possibly Tiago; and maybe the super horses that ran in the Bluegrass. But you have a pt.

pointman · #12 04-26-2007, 05:07 PM

Another 1/8th surely did not look like a problem to me for Curlin off his last.

slotdirt · #13 04-26-2007, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by easy goer

Possibly Tiago; and maybe the super horses that ran in the Bluegrass. But you have a pt.

Turf races don't count.

Bobby Fischer · #14 04-26-2007, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

And which horse pointing to the race looked better than him at 9 furlongs?

Curlin improved in the Arkansas Derby in terms of raw fractions vs the 8.5furlong Rebel. Some of that was due to the trip but it was impressive. Curlin actually came home the last 3 furlongs in the Arkansas faster than Tiago came home the last three in the Santa Anita.

I think Curlin will be right with the best horses on Derby day, I don't expect him to win, but it wouldn't be shocked.

Hickory Hill Hoff · #15 04-26-2007, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

Curlin is joining the ranks of Afleet Alex and Bernardini for most threads ever about one horse. Perhaps there can be a "Curlin" section in the main forum?

Curlin = Showing Up

Just my two cents.

Once again...I agree!

pointman · #16 04-26-2007, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by lemoncrush

Who has faced good competition?
Scat Daddy, Stormello, Circular Quay, Great Hunter, Any Given Saturday, Street Sense, Nobiz Like Shobiz, Dominican, and just about every other horse in the field.

Curlin has a ton of talent, but running past Flying First Class and Deadly Dealer is not the same as going 1-1/4 miles against 19 other horses, many of whom have been through the wars and are battle tested.

If you read my post correctly, I excluded the Bluegrass. However, was the Florida Derby, Louisiana Derby and the Wood really strong fields? My point is that I don't think that it is a knock on Curlin that he hasn't faced strong competition when he has blown everything away that he has faced. Your point on being "battle tested" could be valid, but I think that is a little overrated as well. I see nothing wrong with what Curlin has done, especially the professional way he ran in the Arkansas Derby. If people want to throw him out, that is fine with me.

slotdirt · #17 04-26-2007, 04:50 PM

The only horse on Curlin's par of facing lesser competition is Hard Spun. Both have only faced two potential entrants into the Derby including a common opponent of Teuflesberger.

Hickory Hill Hoff · #18 04-26-2007, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lemoncrush

Who has faced good competition?
Scat Daddy, Stormello, Circular Quay, Great Hunter, Any Given Saturday, Street Sense, Nobiz Like Shobiz, Dominican, and just about every other horse in the field.

Curlin has a ton of talent, but running past Flying First Class and Deadly Dealer is not the same as going 1-1/4 miles against 19 other horses, many of whom have been through the wars and are battle tested.

Agreed!

flifishri · #19 04-27-2007, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by lemoncrush

Who has faced good competition?
Scat Daddy, Stormello, Circular Quay, Great Hunter, Any Given Saturday, Street Sense, Nobiz Like Shobiz, Dominican, and just about every other horse in the field.

Curlin has a ton of talent, but running past Flying First Class and Deadly Dealer is not the same as going 1-1/4 miles against 19 other horses, many of whom have been through the wars and are battle tested.

Cruised past without much urging is more like it. Wait'll Albarado uses the stick if he has to, can you say...explosion? He's the real deal.