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07-01-2006, 09:48 PM
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07-02-2006, 01:35 PM
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And our rights are being defended ... and very well I might add ... against the vicious people who would gladly murder all of us ... including the members of this forum. We're all safe and free at our keyboards right now because of the efforts and dedication of our armed services and police forces. Bush has been president for 5.5 years ... and not one American has had his or her basic liberties stripped away ... so your attempt at creating hysteria is meaningless.
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07-02-2006, 02:42 PM
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Believe whatever you want to...you have that right. However, if i can be reported for checking out books at my library as per the "Patriot Act"..I respectfully disagree. Basic liberties have indeed been stripped away. DTS
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07-02-2006, 10:26 PM
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... so how do you conclude that "basic liberties have been stripped away" ... when your entire premise is a fantasy?
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07-02-2006, 06:07 PM
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Look. I'm not afraid of a bunch of terrorists. I am afraid of a bunch of terrified, short-sighted and well-intentioned American citizens handing over every liberty we have in the name of defending our country when someone engages in some clever rhetorical fear-mongering. That's letting the terrorists win. Muzzle the press, delegitimize and stifle dissent, alienate sympathetic allies, and you wind up with a place that may be "safe" but that is so much less than the great nation we're supposed to be. Not in my name, thanks.
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07-02-2006, 08:32 PM
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07-02-2006, 08:35 PM
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__________________
 Seek respect, not attention.
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07-02-2006, 10:40 PM
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07-03-2006, 10:09 AM
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Librarians? Is this a joke. Librarians are like dinosaurs. They serve little use today.
The people that deserve thanks are the people that risked their lives, many who lost their lives so we could have liberty. Was George Washington a librarian? LOL.
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07-03-2006, 10:22 AM
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So ... what we have as "proof" for leftist propaganda talking points ... are ...
... are even more leftist propaganda talking points. You have not ... and cannot ... cite a single example of liberties being stripped away ... or media being muzzled ... or allies being alienated. The truest way to evaluate how foreigners regard another country ... is not to listen to leftists regurgitating their talking points ... but to watch the feet of ordinary people. And right now ... as always ... the feet of the people throughout the world are stampeding toward the United States ... not away from it. Nearly everyone wants to get in ... and virtually no one ... including the leftists who compose the anti-American propaganda ... wants to get out. Regurgitating talking points is not "thought" ... it's mindless toadyism.
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07-02-2006, 10:33 PM
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Scores of millions of Americans who were once dirt poor ... for example, my family ... are now quite wealthy ... because they took advantage of the opportunities available to them in this wonderful country. The "rich" whom you refer to ... also were once poor ... as virtually no one came to this country already wealthy. America is the land of incredible opportunity ... and only losers and bums bemoan their fate here.
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07-03-2006, 07:41 PM
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Cmon Bold one. ON THE WHOLE there is very clearly most opportunity for white males in the US. You cannot tell me with any sort of sincerety, that if one wanted to have the greatest opportunity in the US, one would want to be a black female. Replace black female with white male and bingo, ON THE WHOLE, the greatest opportunity. You may point to exceptions like Oprah etc..., but on the average, no one in this country with any sense kids themselves about this country as it stands. So tell me... you would rather have been born a latino female because this would, on average, give you the greatest opportunity in this country? If not, what ethnic group and sex would most likely lead to opportunity? Caucasian and male. Any other response is dreamworld. Dont try and lie to yourself and make things look hunky-dory. I am damn glad I am Caucasian and male. I sincerely believe if I was black and female, my opportunties would not have been as great ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL. This is what has lead to some of the very devisive equal opportunity rules that screw lots of Caucasian kids trying to get into college. BE real here.
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07-03-2006, 07:46 PM
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As an aside, it seems to me a slight discrepancy, Bold, that you would say... " I wouldn't wager that anyone named as a suspect is completely innocent" on the Fallon thread.
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07-04-2006, 10:03 AM
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The African Americans who haven't bought into this ... who have been self-reliant ... and there are millions of them ... many of whom live right here on my upper class street ... have done spectacularly well. And of course you completely overlook the amazing success of Asian immigrants in this country. The Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Indians, and Pakistanis are among the most successful and prosperous groups in this country. You've made a foolish mistake by associating yourself with the hate-America leftist crowd. Get away from those losers ... and you'll be much happier and more successful yourself. Think seriously about this ... and then act on it ... on this most appropriate day ... the day of Independence. Last edited by Bold Brooklynite : 07-04-2006 at 10:06 AM.
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07-04-2006, 10:05 AM
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Do you think the Palestinians have any legitimate grievances? Yes or No?
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07-04-2006, 09:56 PM
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I will again ask you, right here, right now: IF YOU COULD BE ANY SEX AND ETHNIC GROUP IN THE UNITED STATES WHAT WOULD IT BE? and the answer is .... male and caucasian. If this is not the answer, what is the answer? Female and of Asian descent..... uhmmm maybe Chinese? Dont make me laugh. Kid yourself all you want. If you want the best chance of "succeeding" in this country, all other things being equal, its white male. Oh yes. I do consider myself very successful. I have led the American dream thus far. However, my definition of success probably does not run parallel to yours Bold one.
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07-02-2006, 10:39 PM
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... because at this very moment ... as we sit in safety and comfort at our keyboards ... dedicated members of our armed forces and police forces are on the job protecting us from the savages who would murder us all. Because you live in this cocoon of protection provided by your fellow Americans ... you're full of bravado ... but honestly ask yourself this ... ... how "unafraid" would you be if a dozen armed, hooded al Qaeda terrorists broke into your home right now ... and started slashing the throats of your loved ones?
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07-02-2006, 10:44 PM
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You're either deluded yourself ... or trying to convince others to be deluded. Sorry ... that leftist propaganda tactic never has worked and never will work ... not in this brave and decent country.
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07-03-2006, 09:37 AM
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Evidence on alienating our allies (note that even Britain is having problems with us now, something I can definitely affirm from being here):
POLITICS: U.S. Image Abroad Takes a New Turn South Jim Lobe WASHINGTON, Jun 13 (IPS) - Three years after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, the image of the United States in Europe and the Islamic world has resumed its post-war slide, according to the latest in a series of surveys of public opinion in 14 countries released here Tuesday by the Pew Global Attitudes Project (PGAP). Support for Washington's "global war on terror" has also declined, according to the survey of nearly 17,000 people, and confidence in the leadership of President George W. Bush, is at its lowest ebb, as it is in the United States, as well. And in 12 of the 14 foreign countries surveyed, strong pluralities of 44 percent (Russia and China) to majorities of up to 76 (France) percent said the Iraq war had made the world "more dangerous". The only exceptions were India and Nigeria where pluralities of 41 percent of respondents said the world had been made "safer". In addition to those two countries, the survey, which was conducted in April and May this year, included four western countries -- Britain, France, Germany and Spain; five predominantly Islamic countries -- Egypt, Indonesia, Pakistan, Jordan, and Turkey; Russia, Japan, and China, as well as the United States itself. The survey, which covered a range of issues, including attitudes toward global warming, avian flu, Iran, and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, was the fourth in an annual series carried out by Pew since 2002 -- just after the U.S.-led ouster of the Taliban in Afghanistan and just before the Iraq invasion. Shortly after the invasion, the survey showed a stunning drop in favourable attitudes toward Bush and the United States, particularly among Washington's European allies and in the Islamic world. In France, for example, the percentage of respondents with a favourable opinion of the U.S. fell from 63 percent in 2002 to 43 percent in 2003; in Indonesia, it fell from 61 percent to 15 percent; in Jordan, from 25 percent to just one percent. In a few countries, the decline continued through early 2004. But in many others, Washington's image appeared to recover slightly by the middle of that year, and even more by the spring of 2005. By then, for example, the percentage of Russians with a favourable opinion of the U.S. had grown from 36 percent immediately after the war to 52 percent; in Indonesia, it climbed back up to 38 percent; and in Jordan, to 21 percent. The latest poll, however, shows a new deterioration in foreign attitudes towards the U.S. despite explicit efforts by the administration, especially Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, to emphasise multilateral diplomacy over unilateral action. Declines were particularly pronounced in Spain where the percentage or respondents with a favourable view of the U.S. fell from 41 percent last year to 23 percent; in Russia, where it fell from 52 percent to 43 percent; in Indonesia, from 38 percent to 30 percent; in Jordan, from 21 percent to 15 percent; in Turkey, from 23 percent to 12 percent; and in India, from 71 percent to 56 percent -- an especially surprising finding given the recent breakthrough nuclear agreement between the two countries. The only countries in which Washington's image appears to have continued its rebound were China (from 42 percent favourable last year to 47 percent) and Pakistan (from 23 percent to 27 percent), where the improvement was no doubt helped by Washington's high-profile rescue and relief operations after last year's earthquake in Kashmir. The U.S. image in Indonesia had also improved markedly as a result of its relief efforts following the December 2004 tsunami, only to resume its decline, however, over the year that followed. That the resumption of Washington's decline was due primarily to opposition to the Iraq war and the more-general "war on terror" was made clear not only by the large pluralities and majorities (in 10 of the 14 countries) who said the world had been rendered "more dangerous" by the U.S. invasion, but also by the belief in all but two countries -- Germany and Japan -- that the "American presence in Iraq" constituted a greater danger to world peace than the presumed nuclear ambitions of Iran or North Korea. Even in Washington's closest ally, Britain, respondents rated the U.S. in Iraq as a greater danger than Iran by a 41-34 percent margin; among the predominantly Islamic countries, respondents rated Washington's presence in Iraq from three times (Jordan) to seven times (Pakistan) more dangerous than Iran.
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