NBC receives mail from shooter

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

hollow points used to be called "cop-killers". The hollows hit the target and spread out through the target, thus doing more damage!

man that sucks. why are they for sale? doesnt seem right...

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

man that sucks. why are they for sale? doesnt seem right...

It used to be that police used them in response to criminals using automatic weapons....but the entire system is out of whack now! Mort: if you're bored...just go sit by YOUR thread till someone comes by who's bored enough to answer you! What is it with you? The shotgun approach to all in your presence? Not good...

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

It used to be that police used them in response to criminals using automatic weapons....but the entire system is out of whack now! Mort: if you're bored...just go sit by YOUR thread till someone comes by who's bored enough to answer you! What is it with you? The shotgun approach to all in your presence? Not good...

Shaaaaaa-dup.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

man that sucks. why are they for sale? doesnt seem right...

For sell? This sick pup bought 100 rounds.You in Virginia?Go get yours too.....Damn Hillbillies.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

For sell? This sick pup bought 100 rounds.You in Virginia?Go get yours too.....Damn Hillbillies.

Give it a rest, Scuds. Most people in Virginia aren't hillbillies. That's West Virginia!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Give it a rest, Scuds. Most people in Virginia aren't hillbillies. That's West Virginia!

Well,if the majority of people in a state don't care about a citizen buying a 100 rounds of hollow-points,then that's a Hillbilly State.WOULDN'T YOU AGREE? Some of these people would have survived if he had been forced to use less lethal bullets.There is no excuse for this part of this scenario that took place.You wanna say he slipped through cracks? Fine,but to let Joe Citizen buy hollow-points just amazes me.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well,if the majority of people in a state don't care about a citizen buying a 100 rounds of hollow-points,then that's a Hillbilly State.WOULDN'T YOU AGREE? Some of these people would have survived if he had been forced to use less lethal bullets.

Scuds, this could have been the case in ANY state.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well,if the majority of people in a state don't care about a citizen buying a 100 rounds of hollow-points,then that's a Hillbilly State.WOULDN'T YOU AGREE? Some of these people would have survived if he had been forced to use less lethal bullets.There is no excuse for this part of this scenario that took place.You wanna say he slipped through cracks? Fine,but to let Joe Citizen buy hollow-points just amazes me.

i'd imagine they will close the loophole in the state law that allowed him to legally buy a handgun. if you can't buy the gun (well, he could have bought one illegally-no doubt would have if the gun shop wouldn't sell to him) then all the hollow point bullets in the world won't matter.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Well I admit to being ignorant about what to call this writing trick.What do you call this? He says something about somebody,but waits until it appears to be a complete sentence.......only then does he say "you brats" or "you snobs" Is there a name for that delay mechanism? Maybe this is actually 4 sentences.I don't know."You brats," and "you snobs" could each be a sentence.

"Your Mercedes wasn't enough,you brats.Your Golden Necklaces weren't enough,you snobs."


I see this sort of style used a lot in HIP HOP MUSIC.They will write something like the following:

"Got stuck in snow so damn cold broke a bowl....."

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

For sell? This sick pup bought 100 rounds.You in Virginia?Go get yours too.....Damn Hillbillies.

Scuds you make good arguements and then you go with this regional BS that ruins everything. You had a man in mild mannered San Diego rip apart 21 people in a McDonald's. You think California is immune to crazy people going off and killing people. He had a frkn Uzi in your great state.

We have a black guy go nuts in Maryland and surrounding areas and pick off people. Get real.

Its sad but we are gun obssessed. Japan had 53 total deaths last year by guns. And almost all of those attributed to a right wing mafia. It does not happen on the streets. Not ONE accidental shooting.

We probably have 53 deaths by guns a year in the city I live in and Japan has 53 all year... Definite cultural difference.

[timmgirvan]

Yeah,Pgardn,but don't they have a thing about swords?? What about those stats,huh?

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Yeah,Pgardn,but don't they have a thing about swords?? What about those stats,huh?

Their violent murder deaths are not even close to the state I live in. Guess you were kidding. There are clearly cultural differences and we are clearly a violent society. Have to start right there if anything is to be solved.

Now Japan does have a very large number of suicides comparable to ours.

And in South Korea this incident was all over the newspapers. The citizens were in shock and ashamed. The basic jist I got from the South Korean side was, "Holy Cow, say it aint so, we cant be like them". This was a National humiliation to them. Its like the whole country took it as their fault, its quite amazing. Again, cultural differences. It appears that some Asian socities take responsibility very seriously.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Their violent murder deaths are not even close to the state I live in. Guess you were kidding. There are clearly cultural differences and we are clearly a violent society. Have to start right there if anything is to be solved.

Now Japan does have a very large number of suicides comparable to ours.

And in South Korea this incident was all over the newspapers. The citizens were in shock and ashamed. The basic jist I got from the South Korean side was, "Holy Cow, say it aint so, we cant be like them". This was a National humiliation to them. Its like the whole country took it as their fault, its quite amazing. Again, cultural differences. It appears that some Asian socities take responsibility very seriously.

You could fit 3 Japans into Texas and still have room for the Northeastern Seaboard! Yes, I was kidding....and I knew about suicide rate,but I didn't want to be accused of "piling on"

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by pgardn

And in South Korea this incident was all over the newspapers. The citizens were in shock and ashamed. The basic jist I got from the South Korean side was, "Holy Cow, say it aint so, we cant be like them". This was a National humiliation to them. Its like the whole country took it as their fault, its quite amazing. Again, cultural differences. It appears that some Asian socities take responsibility very seriously.

I understand he was not technically a citizen, but the kid had lived here since he was what, 8 years old? If I was a South Korean, I'd be feeling that hey, the US had him for 16 years and SK had him for 8- he's all the US's. South Korea has nothing to worry about in that respect...

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Scuds you make good arguements and then you go with this regional BS that ruins everything. You had a man in mild mannered San Diego rip apart 21 people in a McDonald's. You think California is immune to crazy people going off and killing people. He had a frkn Uzi in your great state.

We have a black guy go nuts in Maryland and surrounding areas and pick off people. Get real.

You just don't like the fact that some states have a lot more people in them with backward thinking about hollow points etc.DANZIG IS NO HILLBILLY,BUT SHE LIVES IN A HILLBILLY STATE,AND HER VIEWS ON HOLLOW POINTS ARE TOTALLY HILLBILLY. I mean,read that crap (below your post about me,)o.k.? She doesn't think the type of bullet is all that important.I am telling you that quite a few of these folks(probably 7-15 out of the over 30 that died ) would have survived this.She evidently doesn't care about it,or is ignoring it.If even one more survived,then it would have been worth restricting the hollow points.She is usually logical,but when guns enter into it....She just goes off, and loses it ,man.She just becomes another HILLBILLY type.Yea,we got nuts out here.All I am saying is some states have more than their share of people that favor stuff like this being allowed to be sold(hollow points.)I am talking about the attitudes of the majority of the people in these states.I am not talking about nuts that kill people.I am talking about these backward Hillbilly attitudes (like for instance,Hollow Points should be available for joe citizen to buy.) I am sorry,PGRDN,but there is a divide in thinking,and it is regional.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

You just don't like the fact that some states have a lot more people in them with backward thinking about hollow points etc.DANZIG IS NO HILLBILLY,BUT SHE LIVES IN A HILLBILLY STATE,AND HER VIEWS ON HOLLOW POINTS ARE TOTALLY HILLBILLY. I mean,read that crap (below your post about me,)o.k.? She doesn't think the type of bullet is all that important.I am telling you that quite a few of these folks(probably 7-15 out of the over 30 that died ) would have survived this.She evidently doesn't care about it,or is ignoring it.If even one more survived,then it would have been worth restricting the hollow points.She is usually logical,but when guns enter into it....She just goes off, and loses it ,man.She just becomes another HILLBILLY type.Yea,we got nuts out here.All I am saying is some states have more than their share of people that favor stuff like this being allowed to be sold(hollow points.)I am talking about the attitudes of the majority of the people in these states.I am not talking about nuts that kill people.I am talking about these backward Hillbilly attitudes (like for instance,Hollow Points should be available for joe citizen to buy.) I am sorry,PGRDN,but there is a divide in thinking,and it is regional.

Ok Im gonna shock you here Scuds. I agree. But I also think is a rural v. urban thing.

[Danzig]

unlikely bedfellows???? here's hoping they can get this done! we don't need more gun laws, the ones we have need to work, and work everywhere! absolutely no one who is insane, a convicted felon, etc should be able to purchase a firearm. i don't wish to lose my rights due to creeps like cho-i only want people like cho to be kept from purchasing a gun, and making things tough on the rest of us.



House Democratic leaders are working with the National Rifle Association to bolster existing laws blocking mentally ill people from buying guns.

Lacking support to enact strong new gun measures even after the Virginia Tech shootings, Democrats are instead resurrecting legislation, which has drawn broad bipartisan support and NRA backing, that would improve the national background check system.

The measure, a version of which has passed the House in two previous Congresses but died in the Senate, could come to a House vote as early as next month. It would require states to supply more-thorough records, including for any mental illness-related court action against a would-be gun purchaser.

Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., a strong NRA ally who has been a leading opponent of most gun control legislation, is negotiating with the group on the background-check bill.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has tapped Dingell and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y. — a leading gun control supporter whose husband was fatally shot by a deranged gunman on the Long Island Railroad — to broker a swift compromise measure that could win passage in the House and Senate.

McCarthy said the measure was the best the Democratic-controlled Congress could do even in the wake of the deadly shooting rampage Monday in which a disturbed gunman killed 32 and then himself.

"We're not going to do anything more on guns — it's just not going to happen. This is a pro-gun Congress," said McCarthy.

Current law bars people judged by a court to be "mentally incompetent" from purchasing firearms, but the federal background check database is incomplete, with many states far behind in automating their records and sending them to the FBI.

Cho Seung-Hui, the 23-year-old gunman in the recent shootings, should have failed his background checks and been barred access to guns after a Virginia special justice found in 2005 that his mental illness made him a danger to himself, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence said this week.

The measure being negotiated would subject states to possible penalties for failing to provide the information, and authorize new federal grants to help them do so.

"If we give the states what they need to enforce these limits, that's a big step," McCarthy said. "A computer is only as good as the information in it."

The measure has drawn bipartisan interest. Sen. John Cornyn of Texas, an NRA ally, is among the Republicans considering signing on.

Talks on the measure are extremely sensitive, given how little time has passed since Monday's shootings on the Blacksburg, Va., campus.

The legislation has spawned an unusual alliance between gun rights activists, who want background checks to be faster, and gun control advocates, who want them to be more accurate. Still, the NRA and some of its congressional allies are skittish about appearing to support any gun control measure in the wake of the Virginia Tech rampage.

"We have a potential opportunity to get something done that both sides have agreed (on) for a couple of years," said Peter Hamm, a Brady Campaign spokesman. "There's clearly a level of distrust that's as tall as Mount Everest between the two sides in this debate. We watch each other carefully."

Democratic Rep. Richard Boucher, who represents the southwestern Virginia district where the shootings unfolded, said he would not talk about gun policies until next week at the earliest, out of respect for the families of the victims. Like most lawmakers, Boucher wore a maroon and orange ribbon on his lapel Friday, set aside as a day of remembrance for the Virginia Tech tragedy.

Dingell would not comment on the talks Friday, nor would the NRA.

"This is not the time for political discussions, public policy debates or to advance a political agenda," the group said in a statement.

However, another gun rights group, the Gun Owners of America, is adamantly opposed to the legislation. It said the measure would allow the government to trample privacy rights by compiling reams of personal information and potentially bar mentally stable people from buying guns.

"The thing that most concerns us about this is our friends at the NRA are supporting it, and that could give Democrats cover in the election," said Larry Pratt, a spokesman for the group. "The NRA is making a mistake on this. This is a bill that could pass."

Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, a strong gun rights supporter, said he hasn't opposed the background check measure in the past and wouldn't expect to do so now.

Gun measures have been known to spin out of control in the freewheeling Senate — where any senator can seek to amend a bill. Any measure there would be looked upon as an opportunity for both gun control advocates eager to enact stronger limits and their foes pushing to weaken existing gun laws.

For Dingell's effort to succeed, Republicans and Democrats on both sides of the Capitol likely would have to agree to hold off on a broader gun debate and focus instead on the background-check measure.

"We need to be very careful that we don't intrude on the right of law-abiding and free citizens," Craig said. "We all search for the political screen of, 'Oh, we've got to do something and pass a law, and therefore the world will be a safer place.' Not necessarily."

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

unlikely bedfellows???? here's hoping they can get this done! we don't need more gun laws, the ones we have need to work, and work everywhere! absolutely no one who is insane, a convicted felon, etc should be able to purchase a firearm. i don't wish to lose my rights due to creeps like cho-i only want people like cho to be kept from purchasing a gun, and making things tough on the rest of us.



House Democratic leaders are working with the National Rifle Association to bolster existing laws blocking mentally ill people from buying guns.

Lacking support to enact strong new gun measures even after the Virginia Tech shootings, Democrats are instead resurrecting legislation, which has drawn broad bipartisan support and NRA backing, that would improve the national background check system.

The measure, a version of which has passed the House in two previous Congresses but died in the Senate, could come to a House vote as early as next month. It would require states to supply more-thorough records, including for any mental illness-related court action against a would-be gun purchaser.

Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., a strong NRA ally who has been a leading opponent of most gun control legislation, is negotiating with the group on the background-check bill.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has tapped Dingell and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y. — a leading gun control supporter whose husband was fatally shot by a deranged gunman on the Long Island Railroad — to broker a swift compromise measure that could win passage in the House and Senate.

McCarthy said the measure was the best the Democratic-controlled Congress could do even in the wake of the deadly shooting rampage Monday in which a disturbed gunman killed 32 and then himself.

"We're not going to do anything more on guns — it's just not going to happen. This is a pro-gun Congress," said McCarthy.

Current law bars people judged by a court to be "mentally incompetent" from purchasing firearms, but the federal background check database is incomplete, with many states far behind in automating their records and sending them to the FBI.

Cho Seung-Hui, the 23-year-old gunman in the recent shootings, should have failed his background checks and been barred access to guns after a Virginia special justice found in 2005 that his mental illness made him a danger to himself, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence said this week.

The measure being negotiated would subject states to possible penalties for failing to provide the information, and authorize new federal grants to help them do so.

"If we give the states what they need to enforce these limits, that's a big step," McCarthy said. "A computer is only as good as the information in it."

The measure has drawn bipartisan interest. Sen. John Cornyn of Texas, an NRA ally, is among the Republicans considering signing on.

Talks on the measure are extremely sensitive, given how little time has passed since Monday's shootings on the Blacksburg, Va., campus.

The legislation has spawned an unusual alliance between gun rights activists, who want background checks to be faster, and gun control advocates, who want them to be more accurate. Still, the NRA and some of its congressional allies are skittish about appearing to support any gun control measure in the wake of the Virginia Tech rampage.

"We have a potential opportunity to get something done that both sides have agreed (on) for a couple of years," said Peter Hamm, a Brady Campaign spokesman. "There's clearly a level of distrust that's as tall as Mount Everest between the two sides in this debate. We watch each other carefully."

Democratic Rep. Richard Boucher, who represents the southwestern Virginia district where the shootings unfolded, said he would not talk about gun policies until next week at the earliest, out of respect for the families of the victims. Like most lawmakers, Boucher wore a maroon and orange ribbon on his lapel Friday, set aside as a day of remembrance for the Virginia Tech tragedy.

Dingell would not comment on the talks Friday, nor would the NRA.

"This is not the time for political discussions, public policy debates or to advance a political agenda," the group said in a statement.

However, another gun rights group, the Gun Owners of America, is adamantly opposed to the legislation. It said the measure would allow the government to trample privacy rights by compiling reams of personal information and potentially bar mentally stable people from buying guns.

"The thing that most concerns us about this is our friends at the NRA are supporting it, and that could give Democrats cover in the election," said Larry Pratt, a spokesman for the group. "The NRA is making a mistake on this. This is a bill that could pass."

Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, a strong gun rights supporter, said he hasn't opposed the background check measure in the past and wouldn't expect to do so now.

Gun measures have been known to spin out of control in the freewheeling Senate — where any senator can seek to amend a bill. Any measure there would be looked upon as an opportunity for both gun control advocates eager to enact stronger limits and their foes pushing to weaken existing gun laws.

For Dingell's effort to succeed, Republicans and Democrats on both sides of the Capitol likely would have to agree to hold off on a broader gun debate and focus instead on the background-check measure.

"We need to be very careful that we don't intrude on the right of law-abiding and free citizens," Craig said. "We all search for the political screen of, 'Oh, we've got to do something and pass a law, and therefore the world will be a safer place.' Not necessarily."

YOU YOURSELF ADMITTED HE COULD PROBABLY HAVE GOTTEN A GUN.He may not have(if he was told he couldn't get one legally.) He seemed on a mission.So,lets assume he could have illegally gotten 1(not 2) guns.Now,lets assume the average joe blow couldn't buy a hundred rounds of hollow point bullets.O.K.,AS IT WAS,he didn't use all hollow points.He used about 40% hollow points.So,I think he may have been on a mission to get a gun(any way he could,) but the hollow point bullets were obtained only because he could get them.Obviously he didn't demand to have all hollow points.So,I think if they hadn't allowed hollow points to be purchased by a pistol buyer in Virgina,then probably half (or more) of these people would still be alive.I see the argument for selling hollow points to average citizens to be poor,but the argument in favor of selling them for use with a pistol.........that is pss poor indeed.

[GenuineRisk]

I still don't buy the "evil" theory, because I think it makes it easy for us to stop looking for answers to the human condition-"Oh, he was an evil, sick f*ck. Done. When's American Idol coming on?"

Though I myself use the term when looking at sociopaths like Bundy, but the difference there is someone who clearly got his rocks off from causing pain and killing and who had no intention of stopping, ever. He would no more have killed himself after a killing than monkeys would have flown out of his butt. Not to mention he was apparently charming as all get out. Like Albert Brooks says in Broadcast News, the devil isn't going to appear with a forked tail and horns- he's going to be goodlooking.

Anyway, I'm no medical professional, lord knows, but I really find it hard to believe this kid had anything resembling a grip on reality. And I find it hard to label that level of mental illness evil.

Slate's take on it:
http://www.slate.com/id/2164757/