Who will show drastic improvement in the Derby?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Tiago and Zanjero seem most likely to me, both should like the extra furlong more than others may and both seem to be improving. I don't know that they are quite fast enough to win but I bet both put up new career high Beyers in the Derby.

Any Given Saturday seems the horse most likely to be able to move way up and run a 108-110 Beyer that should be enough to win the race. He could also be a total non-factor.

While I don't particularly like Tiago for this race, it won't shock me if he runs OK, but Zanjero feels like a plug who just sort of sucked up in the Bluegrass where no real running was taking place. I will be very surprised if he is any real factor in the Derby. He just feels slow.

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

While I don't particularly like Tiago for this race, it won't shock me if he runs OK, but Zanjero feels like a plug who just sort of sucked up in the Bluegrass where no real running was taking place. I will be very surprised if he is any real factor in the Derby. He just feels slow.

One of the biggest reasons I like Tiago, is look at his Maiden race. The way he dug in, after being pushed and forced how wide!?! The way he continued to dig and fight to the wire impressed me. I don't think he will win, but he will hit the board.

[brockguy]

I thought Tiago looked good winning last time out and was visually impressive, but wont everything have to fall just right for him to show, he'll have to avoid traffic probelms with his style of running!

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by brockguy

I thought Tiago looked good winning last time out and was visually impressive, but wont everything have to fall just right for him to show, he'll have to avoid traffic probelms with his style of running!

First race with the blinkers off and that really helped as he showed a willingness to weave through traffic that will be important in the Derby. People really shouldn't be fooled by him being Giacomo's brother. This horse is a lot faster. Heck, Mike Smith said that in an interview before the SA Derby when the horse still looked like a total nag. Not often that you see a Hall of Fame jockey tell you that a horse with a career high 84 Beyer is a lot faster than the horse he won the Kentucky Derby on.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

First race with the blinkers off and that really helped as he showed a willingness to weave through traffic that will be important in the Derby. People really shouldn't be fooled by him being Giacomo's brother. This horse is a lot faster. Heck, Mike Smith said that in an interview before the SA Derby when the horse still looked like a total nag. Not often that you see a Hall of Fame jockey tell you that a horse with a career high 84 Beyer is a lot faster than the horse he won the Kentucky Derby on.

On a related note....if they gave jockeys Beyer figures, what do you suppose Mike Smith's would have been for the inner track meet......23?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

On a related note....if they gave jockeys Beyer figures, what do you suppose Mike Smith's would have been for the inner track meet......23?

He's an obvious detriment to the horse's chances but we've seen him weave through traffic at Churchill before to win the Derby with a much slower horse so I won't be able to dismiss this horse solely based on his jockey. At least we know he won't put the horse in a stranglehold on the first turn and destroy all chances like Kent D will.

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

He's an obvious detriment to the horse's chances but we've seen him weave through traffic at Churchill before to win the Derby with a much slower horse so I won't be able to dismiss this horse solely based on his jockey. At least we know he won't put the horse in a stranglehold on the first turn and destroy all chances like Kent D will.

give me Mike in a big race over half these nags riding......now if its a mdn 16k claimer on the inner you might as well have CC Lopez (as long as he is not in on a fix with Coa)

[ninetoone]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

On a related note....if they gave jockeys Beyer figures, what do you suppose Mike Smith's would have been for the inner track meet......23?

LOL, you joke around, but I've sometimes thought they should give jockeys some kind of figure like a beyer based on the ride they gave a horse,etc...

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

On a related note....if they gave jockeys Beyer figures, what do you suppose Mike Smith's would have been for the inner track meet......23?

mike is riding alot better as of late, hes picking up winners cost to cost, and hes on the a derby horse who alot of ppl like.

[brockguy]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

First race with the blinkers off and that really helped as he showed a willingness to weave through traffic that will be important in the Derby. People really shouldn't be fooled by him being Giacomo's brother. This horse is a lot faster. Heck, Mike Smith said that in an interview before the SA Derby when the horse still looked like a total nag. Not often that you see a Hall of Fame jockey tell you that a horse with a career high 84 Beyer is a lot faster than the horse he won the Kentucky Derby on.

grand, thanks for that. was over in the states that weekend, and Tiago looked the most impressive in the derby preps - he's also the name of one of my favourite footballers, so im hoping he does fine!

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by brockguy

grand, thanks for that. was over in the states that weekend, and Tiago looked the most impressive in the derby preps - he's also the name of one of my favourite footballers, so im hoping he does fine!

I am still waiting for a horse named Giggs!

[brockguy]

Originally Posted by ARyan

I am still waiting for a horse named Giggs!

hes playing class at the moment. Coolmore have had Solskjaer and Van Nistlerooy, could be one soon!

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

While I don't particularly like Tiago for this race, it won't shock me if he runs OK, but Zanjero feels like a plug who just sort of sucked up in the Bluegrass where no real running was taking place. I will be very surprised if he is any real factor in the Derby. He just feels slow.

Every race I look at Zanjero and expect improvement and it has not happened, I dont see why it should in a few weeks. I am through with him.