BEYER: Poly's Anti-Speed Bias

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by Suffolk Shippers

I'd say he is far from whining. He is offering a very real assessment of how that race was run and provided emperical evidence on how other Derby preps were run. For the horses not winning in the race, I'm drawing a line through it, and for Dominican, a win is a win, but there is no way he can expect 26.1 and 51 and change for the first half in the Derby, and turn the race into a 400 yard sprint to the finish like was done Saturday. I don't often agree with Beyer, but in this case, he is spot on.

OK, what does the other derby preps have anything to do with this one? Evidence of what, he doesn't like poly tracks. he disagrees with the bettors and the President of Keeneland. What point did he make, other than cry like a baby about the poly.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by MisterB

OK, what does the other derby preps have anything to do with this one? Evidence of what, he doesn't like poly tracks. he disagrees with the bettors and the President of Keeneland. What point did he make, other than cry like a baby about the poly.

The only whiner in any way associated with this is obviously you, someone who through their continued uninformed knocking of Andy Beyer shows an obvious all-consuming jealousy of him, as well as a likely complete dissatisfaction with your own poor results. Criticizing someone who has done as much for horseplayers as Andy Beyer has just exposes you.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The only whiner in any way associated with this is obviously you, someone who through their continued uninformed knocking of Andy Beyer shows an obvious all-consuming jealousy of him, as well as a likely complete dissatisfaction with your own poor results. Criticizing someone who has done as much for horseplayers as Andy Beyer has just exposes you.

I am not knocking Andy personally, and you have no problem knocking me, so what is your point Throat? You believe in Beyers, and are close friends with Andy, so what. I have my own theories on Horse racing, and it is not Beyers, so I am not allowed to disagree with Andy, you or anyone else?

I Got it

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by MisterB

I am not knocking Andy personally, and you have no problem knocking me, so what is your point Throat? You believe in Beyers, and are close friends with Andy, so what. I have my own theories on Horse racing, and it is not Beyers, so I am not allowed to disagree with Andy, you or anyone else?

I Got it

I love it when someone posts something indefensible and then whines " Oh, I guess I'm not allowed to have my own opinion ".

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I love it when someone posts something indefensible and then whines " Oh, I guess I'm not allowed to have my own opinion ".

How can I be whining, I didn't say I disliked poly track, Andy did, I didn't say to the President of Keeneland, I think your making a mistake, Andy did. You like to pick my pocket, that's all, it is convenient for you, it's your style, not just with me. It is his writing, not mine, I have no defense to make. I am not the back peddler here.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I love it when someone posts something indefensible and then whines " Oh, I guess I'm not allowed to have my own opinion ".

Let me point out another one of your normal miss quotes.

" Oh, I guess I'm not allowed to have my own opinion ". Like the preverbial change of words theory of writers. Nice try

[Jax Cajun]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The only whiner in any way associated with this is obviously you, someone who through their continued uninformed knocking of Andy Beyer shows an obvious all-consuming jealousy of him, as well as a likely complete dissatisfaction with your own poor results. Criticizing someone who has done as much for horseplayers as Andy Beyer has just exposes you.

Amen Brother! Andy gave us My Typhoon in the Jenny Wiley from the Youbet show, he didn't have to do that.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Jax Cajun

Amen Brother! Andy gave us My Typhoon in the Jenny Wiley from the Youbet show, he didn't have to do that.

Sort of, I'll give him 1/2 credit for the selection because it was based on it staying on the turf. Better than my choice.

[Jax Cajun]

Originally Posted by philcski

Sort of, I'll give him 1/2 credit for the selection because it was based on it staying on the turf. Better than my choice.

He pointed out that My Typhoon had raced against superior competition compared to Wait a While. It was a smart angle and seeing him at 6-1 we jumped all over it.

[Suffolk Shippers]

Originally Posted by MisterB

OK, what does the other derby preps have anything to do with this one? Evidence of what, he doesn't like poly tracks. he disagrees with the bettors and the President of Keeneland. What point did he make, other than cry like a baby about the poly.

It pretty much has everything to do with the other Derby preps. The way I read it is that you cant seriously take very much out of this race because of the way it was run. He infers that it had something to do with the Polytrack, but I would have felt the same way if they ran this on dirt, pavement, rocks, whatever. I would not advance Dominican on my board or push Street Sense or Great Hunter back because of this race. As Andy points out, it turned into a walk around the track because the jocks didnt want to push their charges knocking the anti speed bias at Keeneland now. That turned the race into a sprint to the finish and that is not gonna happen on Derby Day. The first 1/2 will be ticked off around 0:47, not 0:51.2 like Saturday.

Other preps were run closer to form and therefore, more credibility has to be placed on them than the Blue Grass...actually that's no different than last year's Blue Grass. I drew a line through the field for the race because it was an absolute speed race. This year is a different reason to knock it.