Is Curlin being overrated by the margins over nothing horses?

[blackthroatedwind]

I am trying to watch " Leaving Las Vegas "...which is one of my all-time favorite movies.

The Hutchinson " example " was a joke. In the Tampa Bay Derby Delightful Kiss merely picked up a bunch of bad horses and Most Distinguished who probably would have been third if he hadn't actually tried to win ( which Delightful Kiss was never close enough to attempt to do ). In the Arkansas Derby the horses that ran 1-2-3 were also 1-2-3 early in the race thus the speeds never really came back. Considering the differences in how the races were run it is hardly surprising a mediocre clunk up horse like Delightful Kiss did not perform better in Arkansas.

By the way, I don't believe Curlin could have run faster than he did yesterday.

[horseofcourse]

What I like about Curlin is he was 4 or 5 lengths back at the 1/2 mile call in both races at Oaklawn around two turns. That tells me he won't be affected one bit by a lightning pace should that occur or a slow pace or whatever is thrown out there. I don't hold the lack of starts at 2 against him...as people have said it didn't hurt Bernardini in the Preakness. He seems to be a very handy horse for the most part. He may fold like a lawn chair in the Derby, and I have no idea who will win the race, but I think he's the best horse going in. I've seen nothing from any other contender any better than what he's shown this year.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

What I like about Curlin is he was 4 or 5 lengths back at the 1/2 mile call in both races at Oaklawn around two turns. That tells me he won't be affected one bit by a lightning pace should that occur or a slow pace or whatever is thrown out there. I don't hold the lack of starts at 2 against him...as people have said it didn't hurt Bernardini in the Preakness. He seems to be a very handy horse for the most part. He may fold like a lawn chair in the Derby, and I have no idea who will win the race, but I think he's the best horse going in. I've seen nothing from any other contender any better than what he's shown this year.

Agreed. Curlin's versatility is his biggest asset, I believe. Very similar to Bernardini in that aspect.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Considering the differences in how the races were run it is hardly surprising a mediocre clunk up horse like Delightful Kiss did not perform better in Arkansas....By the way, I don't believe Curlin could have run faster than he did yesterday.

Another factor, in both races Curlin [edit: that should be Delightful Kiss] is described as making a mild or modest rally. But in OP he had to go wide, at TB I dont think he was very wide, prollly on the rail if memory serves...

Anyhow he lost ground around the turn so that may account for more beaten lengths. Still even with adjustment, how much difference can there be? the more you look at it, the more it seems Curlin is comparable to SS. At least in the sense of speed, psychologically who knows?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I am trying to watch " Leaving Las Vegas "...which is one of my all-time favorite movies.

The Hutchinson " example " was a joke. In the Tampa Bay Derby Delightful Kiss merely picked up a bunch of bad horses and Most Distinguished who probably would have been third if he hadn't actually tried to win ( which Delightful Kiss was never close enough to attempt to do ). In the Arkansas Derby the horses that ran 1-2-3 were also 1-2-3 early in the race thus the speeds never really came back. Considering the differences in how the races were run it is hardly surprising a mediocre clunk up horse like Delightful Kiss did not perform better in Arkansas.

By the way, I don't believe Curlin could have run faster than he did yesterday.

You really liked that movie? I watched it so long ago, but it just seemed soooo depressing, reallly I wanted to yell at everyone to wise up and go out and make their lives better. I wouldn't have made a very good therapist.

[slotdirt]

All I have to say is no horse has won the Derby without a start at two since like 1885. I hope the public makes Curlin the betting fave.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

You really liked that movie? I watched it so long ago, but it just seemed soooo depressing, reallly I wanted to yell at everyone to wise up and go out and make their lives better. I wouldn't have made a very good therapist.

Shut up.



It's one of my all timers as well.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by mortimerdexterfoxworthy

Shut up.



It's one of my all timers as well.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

=;>






The man was from Cleveland,too...

....don't ya know.

[Thoroughbred Fan]

I like Curlin, but I sure wish he would have faced tougher horses to this point. Keep in mind in recent years I have not bet the undefeated horses on Derby day, feeling they hadn't been tested enough. I was wrong about SJ and Barbaro.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

You really liked that movie? I watched it so long ago, but it just seemed soooo depressing, reallly I wanted to yell at everyone to wise up and go out and make their lives better. I wouldn't have made a very good therapist.

Maybe they were making their lives the best they could possibly be....for them.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Maybe they were making their lives the best they could possibly be....for them.

True, I just get very frusterated with situations like that knowing people who were/are similiar, if that makes any sense? Having a few years on me now may make a difference though to my appreciation of the movie.

What did you think of Lost in Translation and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

True, I just get very frusterated with situations like that knowing people who were/are similiar, if that makes any sense? Having a few years on me now may make a difference though to my appreciation of the movie.

What did you think of Lost in Translation and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind?

I like them both a lot....especially Eternal Sunshine. I like the fact that knowing everything they know, basically that their relationship is doomed, that they still decide to do it all over again.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I like them both a lot....especially Eternal Sunshine. I like the fact that knowing everything they know, basically that their relationship is doomed, that they still decide to do it all over again.

Eternal Sunshine is probably one of my favorite movies.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Eternal Sunshine is probably one of my favorite movies.

It's one of my favorites from the last ten years for sure. I like it a lot more than I like Curlin.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I like them both a lot....especially Eternal Sunshine. I like the fact that knowing everything they know, basically that their relationship is doomed, that they still decide to do it all over again.

I think you misinterpreted. Great movie, though.

I dont know if people are responding to something I wrote, I am just catching up this thread and not read it full.

I dont think I said that Curlin could go faster, I had to edit that post because I meant to say "Delightful Kiss" and not Curlin so maybe people read it before I edited it. All three horses seem to be going somewhere close to their limit.

Curlin, if I recall, was being hand ridden, which can be interpreted to mean he is capable of more although I doubt much more.

Sorry if I am responding to the wrong thing...

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I am trying to watch " Leaving Las Vegas "...which is one of my all-time favorite movies.
The Hutchinson " example " was a joke. In the Tampa Bay Derby Delightful Kiss merely picked up a bunch of bad horses and Most Distinguished who probably would have been third if he hadn't actually tried to win ( which Delightful Kiss was never close enough to attempt to do ). In the Arkansas Derby the horses that ran 1-2-3 were also 1-2-3 early in the race thus the speeds never really came back. Considering the differences in how the races were run it is hardly surprising a mediocre clunk up horse like Delightful Kiss did not perform better in Arkansas.

By the way, I don't believe Curlin could have run faster than he did yesterday.

again?

[Mortimer]

Here you are darling:



Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I am trying to watch " Leaving Las Vegas "...which is one of my all-time favorite movies.
The Hutchinson " example " was a joke. In the Tampa Bay Derby Delightful Kiss merely picked up a bunch of bad horses and Most Distinguished who probably would have been third if he hadn't actually tried to win ( which Delightful Kiss was never close enough to attempt to do ). In the Arkansas Derby the horses that ran 1-2-3 were also 1-2-3 early in the race thus the speeds never really came back. Considering the differences in how the races were run it is hardly surprising a mediocre clunk up horse like Delightful Kiss did not perform better in Arkansas.

By the way, I don't believe Curlin could have run faster than he did yesterday.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by mortimerdexterfoxworthy

Here you are darling:



Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I am trying to watch " Leaving Las Vegas "...which is one of my all-time favorite movies.
The Hutchinson " example " was a joke. In the Tampa Bay Derby Delightful Kiss merely picked up a bunch of bad horses and Most Distinguished who probably would have been third if he hadn't actually tried to win ( which Delightful Kiss was never close enough to attempt to do ). In the Arkansas Derby the horses that ran 1-2-3 were also 1-2-3 early in the race thus the speeds never really came back. Considering the differences in how the races were run it is hardly surprising a mediocre clunk up horse like Delightful Kiss did not perform better in Arkansas.

By the way, I don't believe Curlin could have run faster than he did yesterday.

thank you my sweet...but I meant watching the movie again