Is Curlin being overrated by the margins over nothing horses?

horseofcourse · #1 04-15-2007, 11:30 PM

Curlin has run 3 preps this year which is pretty much as many as any other horse or more in some cases...other than Teuflesberg who has gone out 4 times, noone has run more than 3.

By the way pillow pants, I misunderstood your post then reread it and realized how stupid I was in my reply..which is why I deleted it.

#2 04-15-2007, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Curlin has run 3 preps this year which is pretty much as many as any other horse or more in some cases...other than Teuflesberg who has gone out 4 times, noone has run more than 3.

By the way pillow pants, I misunderstood your post then reread it and realized how stupid I was in my reply..which is why I deleted it.

I know. Your reply was pretty tame to how I would reply if someone said Lawyer Ron was lightly raced.

blackthroatedwind · #3 04-15-2007, 11:37 PM

I am trying to watch " Leaving Las Vegas "...which is one of my all-time favorite movies.

The Hutchinson " example " was a joke. In the Tampa Bay Derby Delightful Kiss merely picked up a bunch of bad horses and Most Distinguished who probably would have been third if he hadn't actually tried to win ( which Delightful Kiss was never close enough to attempt to do ). In the Arkansas Derby the horses that ran 1-2-3 were also 1-2-3 early in the race thus the speeds never really came back. Considering the differences in how the races were run it is hardly surprising a mediocre clunk up horse like Delightful Kiss did not perform better in Arkansas.

By the way, I don't believe Curlin could have run faster than he did yesterday.

horseofcourse · #4 04-15-2007, 11:44 PM

What I like about Curlin is he was 4 or 5 lengths back at the 1/2 mile call in both races at Oaklawn around two turns. That tells me he won't be affected one bit by a lightning pace should that occur or a slow pace or whatever is thrown out there. I don't hold the lack of starts at 2 against him...as people have said it didn't hurt Bernardini in the Preakness. He seems to be a very handy horse for the most part. He may fold like a lawn chair in the Derby, and I have no idea who will win the race, but I think he's the best horse going in. I've seen nothing from any other contender any better than what he's shown this year.

ateamstupid · #5 04-15-2007, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse

What I like about Curlin is he was 4 or 5 lengths back at the 1/2 mile call in both races at Oaklawn around two turns. That tells me he won't be affected one bit by a lightning pace should that occur or a slow pace or whatever is thrown out there. I don't hold the lack of starts at 2 against him...as people have said it didn't hurt Bernardini in the Preakness. He seems to be a very handy horse for the most part. He may fold like a lawn chair in the Derby, and I have no idea who will win the race, but I think he's the best horse going in. I've seen nothing from any other contender any better than what he's shown this year.

Agreed. Curlin's versatility is his biggest asset, I believe. Very similar to Bernardini in that aspect.

#6 04-16-2007, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Considering the differences in how the races were run it is hardly surprising a mediocre clunk up horse like Delightful Kiss did not perform better in Arkansas....By the way, I don't believe Curlin could have run faster than he did yesterday.

Another factor, in both races Curlin [edit: that should be Delightful Kiss] is described as making a mild or modest rally. But in OP he had to go wide, at TB I dont think he was very wide, prollly on the rail if memory serves...

Anyhow he lost ground around the turn so that may account for more beaten lengths. Still even with adjustment, how much difference can there be? the more you look at it, the more it seems Curlin is comparable to SS. At least in the sense of speed, psychologically who knows?

Sightseek · #7 04-16-2007, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I am trying to watch " Leaving Las Vegas "...which is one of my all-time favorite movies.

The Hutchinson " example " was a joke. In the Tampa Bay Derby Delightful Kiss merely picked up a bunch of bad horses and Most Distinguished who probably would have been third if he hadn't actually tried to win ( which Delightful Kiss was never close enough to attempt to do ). In the Arkansas Derby the horses that ran 1-2-3 were also 1-2-3 early in the race thus the speeds never really came back. Considering the differences in how the races were run it is hardly surprising a mediocre clunk up horse like Delightful Kiss did not perform better in Arkansas.

By the way, I don't believe Curlin could have run faster than he did yesterday.

You really liked that movie? I watched it so long ago, but it just seemed soooo depressing, reallly I wanted to yell at everyone to wise up and go out and make their lives better. I wouldn't have made a very good therapist.

slotdirt · #8 04-16-2007, 10:43 AM

All I have to say is no horse has won the Derby without a start at two since like 1885. I hope the public makes Curlin the betting fave.

Mortimer · #9 04-16-2007, 10:47 AM

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You really liked that movie? I watched it so long ago, but it just seemed soooo depressing, reallly I wanted to yell at everyone to wise up and go out and make their lives better. I wouldn't have made a very good therapist.

Shut up.

It's one of my all timers as well.

Sightseek · #10 04-16-2007, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by mortimerdexterfoxworthy

Shut up.

It's one of my all timers as well.

Mortimer · #11 04-16-2007, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

=;>

The man was from Cleveland,too...

....don't ya know.

blackthroatedwind · #12 04-16-2007, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

You really liked that movie? I watched it so long ago, but it just seemed soooo depressing, reallly I wanted to yell at everyone to wise up and go out and make their lives better. I wouldn't have made a very good therapist.

Maybe they were making their lives the best they could possibly be....for them.

Sightseek · #13 04-16-2007, 11:31 AM

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Maybe they were making their lives the best they could possibly be....for them.

True, I just get very frusterated with situations like that knowing people who were/are similiar, if that makes any sense? Having a few years on me now may make a difference though to my appreciation of the movie.

What did you think of Lost in Translation and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind?

blackthroatedwind · #14 04-16-2007, 11:32 AM

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True, I just get very frusterated with situations like that knowing people who were/are similiar, if that makes any sense? Having a few years on me now may make a difference though to my appreciation of the movie.

What did you think of Lost in Translation and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind?

I like them both a lot....especially Eternal Sunshine. I like the fact that knowing everything they know, basically that their relationship is doomed, that they still decide to do it all over again.

paisjpq · #15 04-16-2007, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I am trying to watch " Leaving Las Vegas "...which is one of my all-time favorite movies.
The Hutchinson " example " was a joke. In the Tampa Bay Derby Delightful Kiss merely picked up a bunch of bad horses and Most Distinguished who probably would have been third if he hadn't actually tried to win ( which Delightful Kiss was never close enough to attempt to do ). In the Arkansas Derby the horses that ran 1-2-3 were also 1-2-3 early in the race thus the speeds never really came back. Considering the differences in how the races were run it is hardly surprising a mediocre clunk up horse like Delightful Kiss did not perform better in Arkansas.

By the way, I don't believe Curlin could have run faster than he did yesterday.

again?

Mortimer · #16 04-16-2007, 10:51 AM

Here you are darling:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I am trying to watch " Leaving Las Vegas "...which is one of my all-time favorite movies.
The Hutchinson " example " was a joke. In the Tampa Bay Derby Delightful Kiss merely picked up a bunch of bad horses and Most Distinguished who probably would have been third if he hadn't actually tried to win ( which Delightful Kiss was never close enough to attempt to do ). In the Arkansas Derby the horses that ran 1-2-3 were also 1-2-3 early in the race thus the speeds never really came back. Considering the differences in how the races were run it is hardly surprising a mediocre clunk up horse like Delightful Kiss did not perform better in Arkansas.

By the way, I don't believe Curlin could have run faster than he did yesterday.

paisjpq · #17 04-16-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by mortimerdexterfoxworthy

Here you are darling:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I am trying to watch " Leaving Las Vegas "...which is one of my all-time favorite movies.
The Hutchinson " example " was a joke. In the Tampa Bay Derby Delightful Kiss merely picked up a bunch of bad horses and Most Distinguished who probably would have been third if he hadn't actually tried to win ( which Delightful Kiss was never close enough to attempt to do ). In the Arkansas Derby the horses that ran 1-2-3 were also 1-2-3 early in the race thus the speeds never really came back. Considering the differences in how the races were run it is hardly surprising a mediocre clunk up horse like Delightful Kiss did not perform better in Arkansas.

By the way, I don't believe Curlin could have run faster than he did yesterday.

thank you my sweet...but I meant watching the movie again

Mortimer · #18 04-16-2007, 10:55 AM

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thank you my sweet...but I meant watching the movie again...

Oh.

I know I watch my all time favs quite often.

SniperSB23 · #19 04-16-2007, 10:54 AM

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By the way, I don't believe Curlin could have run faster than he did yesterday.

Hardly a bold statement. Didn't he go sub 12 for the last furlong? I think someone would have to be on crack to think he could have gone faster.

blackthroatedwind · #20 04-16-2007, 11:28 AM

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Hardly a bold statement. Didn't he go sub 12 for the last furlong? I think someone would have to be on crack to think he could have gone faster.

You took it out of context ( I didn't feel a need to reprint the long post I was responding to ) in that the other poster had said Street Sense worked hard and Curlin wasn't full out ( or something like that ). I was disagreeing.