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04-15-2007, 07:20 PM
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I guess we should get back to the fact we don't need a F@$#%& Circus at the racetrack whether it's Saratoga or Aqueduct and that's what Wynn is throwing out there. Listening to most people out there, NYRA seems to be the way to go. Now as I posted elsewhere, isn't there somone out there with connections to the committee or other friends in high places that can show them these forums, this one or any other ones for that matter, that show what a reasonable amount of people think about the situation of racing in NY
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04-15-2007, 08:42 PM
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My sixpack of ideas to help NY racing (although some of the principles would apply everywhere):
1. Reduce takeout across the board by 2%. This would cost the state approximately $35-40MM a year in takeout off the top, but the expectation of that money going back through the windows 5X as most studies have proven would actually end up with a gain at the end of the day. 2. Offer new types of wagers that people would be interested in (and no... that doesn't mean the Grand Slam is something people are interested in.) Here's two possibilities: - The "Beat the Favorite" (low takeout): How often do you hear a novice (or even expert horseplayer) say, "I don't like the favorite in this race, but I don't have a good idea otherwise." This wager would allow the player to take a shot with the field or on the post time favorite, in an easy to bet fashion. - The "Super Six" (high takeout): One race a day, with a minimum of 12 betting interests (note that this allows for 665,280 possible combinations), requiring the player to select the top 6 finishers in a row. Allow people to bet it for a buck anywhere lottery tickets are sold as well as on- or off-track (wouldn't be difficult to add the lottery terminals into the totalisator system), as soon as entries are available, either in a quickpick or normal manner. If no tickets have all 6 correct, the pool carries over. The race would be replayed at the time they do the Lottery drawing. Imagine the mania the first time someone quickpicks at a grocery store and hits for a million bucks. If marketed correctly, this could grow into a phenomenon, easily a $1,000,000 daily handle bet. 3. Increase the Saratoga meet to 8 weeks. This is a no-brainer, everyone benefits. There isn't a better place in the world to go to the races... and "more is better" applies. 4. Decrease the winter meet to 3 or 4 days a week. More (healthy) horses in the fields = more competitive races = more handle. 5. WHEN the racino is completed, make sure the races are being played on TV's as well as live outside the windows so people KNOW they're at a racetrack and not some slot parlor. If 1 person a day decides to quit on the one-armed bandits and plays the horses instead, the idea is success. For a lesson in how NOT to run a racino, take a ride 75 miles south to Philadelphia Park, where the racing is a forgotten afterthought these days (not that it was great before, but I took my first trip there after the renovation 2 weeks ago and there isn't even an easy way to go to the paddock or the rail anymore. It's a complete joke.) 6. Make the off-track experience more enjoyable. It's no secret that the highest grossing NYCOTB's are the restaurant/bar parlors. Part of this would be a state mandate to require the takeover of the state's arcane and fraudulent OTB system, which for the out of staters is actually 5 different entities, and by the nature of the business is lost revenue for the track.
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04-15-2007, 08:56 PM
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Is the Big A in great shape because of the good work NYRA has done? Does NYRA have any experience running a racino? You need someone who has had experience at running both racetracks and racinos. You need someone in charge who has some people with eyes to the future, not padding their payrolls with cronies and turning their backs to internal corruption. "NYRA--We Have Screwed Up--Give Us 20 More Years to get it Right!!!" 
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04-15-2007, 10:07 PM
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And the "on track" racing product will "go out the window"...you can count on that! Why do all the NYRA haters think things will be so much better with someone else running the show? IT'S A RACETRACK...not a place for VLT'S, shops and any other type of amusement. It's about the horses and people who wager on them, the rest of the stuff can be for those who want only the gambling action.
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04-15-2007, 10:20 PM
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Why does the Big A run by NYRA have so many problems? Is the "On track" product so good now. Will it stay that way in the future? New York racing has an excellent product for 6 months(Bel-Sar-Bel) and garbage for 6 months(The Big A). That can not be acceptable for what is supposed to be the best circuit in the US. The other companies havent been in charge of New York, NYRA has. Nader didnt leave to go to HK for nothing. They have had other people in the past who have left, or were asked to leave. They can barely run the track now on the bankruptcy financing made available. The main track at the Big A has been a major problem since last fall. You want a proven failure to get rewarded with a pot a gold? The racing business model has changed over the years, NYRA hasnt a clue how to keep up. You cant open your doors and say we are here, come in. The wont work anymore.
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04-15-2007, 10:15 PM
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Ahhh, let's have Frankie turn our beloved Saratoga into Gulfstream, great idea or have Stevie make the Jim Dandy into The Playboy Suite at the Palms. This ain't South Beach, Laguna Beach or Vegas, this UPF*$%ING STATE NY...we don't need that sh*t here to have the best racing(besides inner crap)in the country. Awhile back it was Spitz and Bruno in the pockets of Excel. & Empire, and you're saying who is corrupt? Jerry Bailey is whoring himself out and making himself look like an ass doing it...helmet cams...didn't Vince McMahon make this sh*tup for the XFL? Tell you what, go play with Ahhhnold and his TWIN Danny Devito on your CushionTrack sandbox. READ THE ARTICLE AND READ THE THREAD, THEN MAKE AN EDUCATED STATEMENT!!!
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04-16-2007, 01:31 AM
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For those of you that are interested in contacting the Governor and the members of the panel, here are the addresses. I know the legislative contacts are correct, and I think the rest of the addresses will get a message to the people.
I am not sure that any effort we make will make a difference, but I am going to express my opinion either way. I did not find an address for one of the committee members, for "Jon McCloskey, a legislative staff member representing the Republican leadership of the Senate, LINK, but the rest I worked on tonight and I think they are correct. Anyway, hope someone else will send a letter to let these guys know how you feel... ALostTexan Governor Eliot Spitzer State Capitol Albany, NY 12224 Assemblyman Gary Pretlow Chairman House Racing and Wagering Committee New York State Assembly Legislative Office Building 845 Albany, NY 12248 Assemblyman Jim Tedisco New York State Assembly Legislative Office Building 521 Albany, NY 12248 Senator John D. Sabini New York State Senate 513 Legislative Office Building Albany, NY 12247 Mr. Daniel Hogan Chairman, New York State Racing and Wagering Board 1 Broadway Center, Suite 600 Schenectady, New York 12305-2553 Mr. David English Chief Budget Examiner Division of the Budget New York State Division of the Budget State Capitol Albany, NY 12224 Mr. Patrick Foye Empire State Economic Development Corp 30 South Pearl Street Albany, NY 12245 Last edited by Kasept : 04-16-2007 at 09:04 PM.
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04-16-2007, 06:11 AM
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Wow what a firecracker you have going here.......even money that ATRAB is about this thread and the Gospel per St Stephen if not today then tomorrow!!!!
I heard Ragozin speak about 2 years ago at a day seminar before the Derby and the one thing that stuck in my head other than sheet theory was how down Len was about the possibility of finding bargains at NY race tracks that would make you money AS A NEWCOMER!!!! The theory that NY race tracks have become places where the walls are crawling with sharks that suck up all of the "uninformed money" really bothered the hell out of me. I bring this up because it is the kind of thing that adds to the myth that NY racing is on skid row while the other racing in the country is just flooded with gushes of money just waiting to be taken home by anyone who plays. If you hear enough of this malarkey it becomes tougher to discount by the shear volume of propaganda that services no one. I feel a change in the title page to DT coming from Mr Byk not to mention a bloodhorse editorial to follow.....game on!!! DrD
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04-16-2007, 09:22 AM
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That has nothing to do with the state of the NYRA franchise, however.
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04-16-2007, 09:35 AM
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What about working in conjunction with Yankee Trails (or maybe even the train line) like Foxwoods does and start running trips from upstate to Belmont Park and Aqueduct? Keep the tickets fairly low, give a voucher or admission (if that is legal?) and a quick and easy way for upstaters to get to Belmont & Aqueduct. Yankee Trails advertises on TV so they could take advantage of broadcasting about the big racing days that are outside of the Breeder's Cup and Triple Crown events (Beldame, JCGC, Met Mile etc).
I don't know too much about the public transportation system in NYC, but is it easy to get to Belmont Park by it?
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