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todko · #1 04-15-2007, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

My first laugh of the day, thanks. Dominican had traffic issues? Where exactly? But the statement that takes the cake is that he wins by 10 if they went another furlong. How exactly can you determine this?

He didn't even get motoring until the last 1/16th. Was behind Street Sense and went around him with no difficulty. Watch the horses running out after.

Street Sense staggered off slow fractions. That's a dud on the first Saturday in May.

golfer · #2 04-15-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by todko

He didn't even get motoring until the last 1/16th. Was behind Street Sense and went around him with no difficulty. Watch the horses running out after.

Street Sense staggered off slow fractions. That's a dud on the first Saturday in May.

The way I saw it, and I could be wrong (have been once or twice), is that Dominican was outrun by the leaders to the top of the stretch, then took advantage of the "bumper cars" game that Tuefelsberg created, and got up ONLY because Street Sense was bumped/bothered. Maybe we'll find out more in 3 weeks

todko · #3 04-15-2007, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by golfer

The way I saw it, and I could be wrong (have been once or twice), is that Dominican was outrun by the leaders to the top of the stretch, then took advantage of the "bumper cars" game that Tuefelsberg created, and got up ONLY because Street Sense was bumped/bothered. Maybe we'll find out more in 3 weeks

I can't wait. Street Sense was very mildly bumped. He staggered into Great Hunter and shut the door on him. Nafzger when asked, said he wouldn't put blinkers on Street Sense for the Derby. Why make the effort? Street Sense needs more than blinkers. Like maybe a new training program?

Dominican beats him again on the first Saturday in May. If they even run Street Sense. I think he scratches.

Danzig · #4 04-15-2007, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by todko

I can't wait. Street Sense was very mildly bumped. He staggered into Great Hunter and shut the door on him. Nafzger when asked, said he wouldn't put blinkers on Street Sense for the Derby. Why make the effort? Street Sense needs more than blinkers. Like maybe a new training program?

Dominican beats him again on the first Saturday in May. If they even run Street Sense. I think he scratches.

he scratches based on what?

todko · #5 04-15-2007, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

he scratches based on what?

Comes out of the race bad. Doesn't have a 5 month layoff to work with. Has no chance to win. Lots of reasons.

todko · #6 04-15-2007, 11:24 AM

Teuflesburg hit Great Hunter didn't he? Looked like Street Sense did too.

Street Sense will get crucified in the Derby.

brianwspencer · #7 04-15-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by todko

He didn't even get motoring until the last 1/16th. Was behind Street Sense and went around him with no difficulty. Watch the horses running out after.

Street Sense staggered off slow fractions. That's a dud on the first Saturday in May.

Forgetting also, that Sense's biggest success has come as a one-run closer. Sitting just a few lengths off of a dawdling pace set by a vanity entrant wasn't exactly his typical running style. It reminded me a lot more visually of the Breeders Futurity last fall over the very same track, albeit with a different pace scenario. And we all know how that story ended.....

On Derby Day you won't find him tracking leaders three lengths off of fractions of 51.2 or 1:16.3 either.

I think he should have won, but it's not like the Derby is going to have the same ridiculous shape that this one did.

#8 04-15-2007, 11:27 AM

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Forgetting also, that Sense's biggest success has come as a one-run closer. ...

I feel this way too. If memory serves, they told Mehrtens, on Assault, that "you have the fastest animal for 3/8 of a mile, but you've got to time your run." Something like that. Assult was considered a one run closer from what I read, he sure had a burst.

Curlin might be faster for a short distance. I think he put more ground between himself and Delightful Kiss in the stretch than did SS/AGS in the TB derby. Valid comparison?

Danzig · #9 04-15-2007, 11:36 AM

i just wonder how street sense will get crucified in the derby, if he's going to scratch for all kinds of reasons.

todko · #10 04-15-2007, 12:16 PM

If he runs he gets crucified. Pure and simple.

Whether he runs or not will depend on the usual battle between a trainer's ego and the facts. I say it's 50-50 whether he runs. If he does -- then more excuses and regrets.

This one has Bob and John written all over him.

#11 04-15-2007, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by todko

If he runs he gets crucified. Pure and simple.

Whether he runs or not will depend on the usual battle between a trainer's ego and the facts. I say it's 50-50 whether he runs. If he does -- then more excuses and regrets.

This one has Bob and John written all over him.

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.