Real Derby Contenders

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Scav

I am absolutely PRAYING that Great Hunter runs his rear end off tomorrow. His sheet is brutal and his stablemate looks about 10 times better, and I could probably get 40/1-60/1 on Notional Derby Day

I dont follow your logic?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont follow your logic?

I know you like GH to win the Derby, but have you seen Notional's TG sheet, a great progression line. GH didn't run too hot of a number first out, and he bore'd in which is never a good sign.

I read a while back that their is one one serious gambler that if they get a bi on their sheet they are auto plays against.

What I am hoping is that GH runs well to keep the focus off Notional as O'Neil's top horse. If he runs like crap tomorrow, then Notional will get all the attention...although, maybe not with the whole bank story and such

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Scav

I know you like GH to win the Derby, but have you seen Notional's TG sheet, a great progression line. GH didn't run too hot of a number first out, and he bore'd in which is never a good sign.

I read a while back that their is one one serious gambler that if they get a bi on their sheet they are auto plays against.

What I am hoping is that GH runs well to keep the focus off Notional as O'Neil's top horse. If he runs like crap tomorrow, then Notional will get all the attention...although, maybe not with the whole bank story and such

I see him being a really nice horse at a shorter distance than the Derby.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I see him being a really nice horse at a shorter distance than the Derby.

That's a nice way to put it. I was going to say he has a better chance of siring a giraffe than lasting ten furlongs.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I see him being a really nice horse at a shorter distance than the Derby.

who?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

who?

Notional.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Notional.

Who knows. Are any of them really bred to run that far anymore? But somebodys got to win

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Who knows. Are any of them really bred to run that far anymore? But somebodys got to win

I think my favorite quote by a jockey was Bailey on High Fly when asked if he'd get the distance of the Derby; "He'll get it, I'm just not sure how fast"

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Who knows. Are any of them really bred to run that far anymore? But somebodys got to win

I posted this on another forum, maybe none are bred for the distance (except on turf in Hard Spun's case) but some are worse than others.

Horse - Sire AWD/Dam Sire AWD
Any Given Saturday - 6.9f/8.2f
Chelokee - 6.7/6.8
Circular Quay - 7.8/7.0
Cowtown Cat - 6.9/7.0
Curlin - 7.3/7.6
Deadly Dealer - 6.8/7.1
Dominican - 6.9/7.1
Great Hunter - 7.3/7.3
Hard Spun - 8.0/8.0
Liquidity - 7.6/7.5
Nobiz Like Shobiz - 7.4/7.0
Notional - 6.2/7.0
Officer Rocket - 6.2/7.3
Sam P - 6.8/8.0
Scat Daddy - 6.7/7.2
Stormello - 6.5/6.4
Street Sense - 7.0/7.1
Teuflesberg - 6.7/7.1
Tiago - 8.1/7.0
Zanjero - 6.7/8.2

Bold Start - 6.7/6.9
Joe Got Even - 7.3/7.3
Sedgefield - 7.3/9.1
Sightseeing - 7.6/8.4

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Scav

I know you like GH to win the Derby, but have you seen Notional's TG sheet, a great progression line. GH didn't run too hot of a number first out, and he bore'd in which is never a good sign.

I read a while back that their is one one serious gambler that if they get a bi on their sheet they are auto plays against.

What I am hoping is that GH runs well to keep the focus off Notional as O'Neil's top horse. If he runs like crap tomorrow, then Notional will get all the attention...although, maybe not with the whole bank story and such

No I meant your logic that the horse that was second in the Fl Derby and has a good sheet pattern would go off 40 to 60-1 in the Derby? He wont be better than 20-1 no matter what happens tomorrow.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No I meant your logic that the horse that was second in the Fl Derby and has a good sheet pattern would go off 40 to 60-1 in the Derby? He wont be better than 20-1 no matter what happens tomorrow.

He'll be over 20/1, 20/1 will be 6th or 7th favorite.....40/1 is a little crazy, 30/1 is more like it, maybe I am wrong, I don't know.....

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Scav

He'll be over 20/1, 20/1 will be 6th or 7th favorite.....40/1 is a little crazy, 30/1 is more like it, maybe I am wrong, I don't know.....

The money will be spread pretty good which leads to very few horses really being huge odds.

Originally Posted by Scav

I know you like GH to win the Derby, but have you seen Notional's TG sheet, a great progression line. GH didn't run too hot of a number first out, and he bore'd in which is never a good sign.

Yeah what is going on with that? He did same thing in the BC juv. if memory serves. I cant imagine it's a soundness issue to have gone on that long. Just pyschological? What was his last race, the Bob Lewis??