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SniperSB23 · #21 04-13-2007, 10:06 PM

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The Kentucky Oaks? Are you serious? That's seems like a virtual impossibility. Not a Jimmy Jerkens type move. Plus, she would be WAY out of her league. I suppose if she runs well tomorrow he would consider the Black Eyed Susan.

We'll have to see. Rags to Riches is really the only scary horse going there. If she can run well at a one turn mile I think she'd fit in very well at the Oaks. She is bred to run all day so if she can show some speed tomorrow then look out. Jerkens isn't scared to bring a horse back in three weeks either. I'd be fine with the Black Eyed Susan but if she runs well enough at a mile I think she'd fit in just fine at the Oaks.

blackthroatedwind · #22 04-13-2007, 10:08 PM

Fee Fi Fo Fum has run two career races and neither is particularly good and you are talking about her like she's done something noteworthy. I don't understand.

SniperSB23 · #23 04-13-2007, 10:16 PM

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Fee Fi Fo Fum has run two career races and neither is particularly good and you are talking about her like she's done something noteworthy. I don't understand.

Don't really know what there is to understand. Every horse at some point only has two career races. Hers are first in a maiden on turf and third in a G2 on dirt, better than most. I think she'll turn out to be a very good horse. Only time will tell.

blackthroatedwind · #24 04-13-2007, 10:17 PM

But she's never run a good race.

Sightseek · #25 04-13-2007, 10:22 PM

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But she's never run a good race.

I don't think any of these have run a 'good' race. Perfect Forest hasn't had to overcome anything in any of her races, although it is looking like she might not have to tomorrow either.

SniperSB23 · #26 04-13-2007, 10:23 PM

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But she's never run a good race.

I think the Bonnie Miss will turn out to be a pretty good race. Her last out Brisnet figure is tops in the field tomorrow. The top two from the Bonnie Miss went on to run 1st and 4th in a G1 that was on poly. You can dismiss that cause of the poly but at the same time maybe they would have done better if it was on dirt, who really knows. In my opinion though her 94 brisnet was legitimized by the top two coming back to run well regardless of the surface. That 94 should be good enough to win here and considering it was her first dirt start and second lifetime start there is legitimate reason to believe she might move forward.

blackthroatedwind · #27 04-13-2007, 10:26 PM

I don't agree, or see anything special about this horse, but good luck. Tomorrow's field is nothing special on paper...but the Oaks? Maybe the Monmouth Oaks.

blackthroatedwind · #28 04-13-2007, 10:27 PM

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I don't think any of these have run a 'good' race. Perfect Forest hasn't had to overcome anything in any of her races, although it is looking like she might not have to tomorrow either.

A number of these have run better races than Fee Fi Fo Fum. There's more than a reasonable chance she won't get a perfect trip everytime she runs.

SniperSB23 · #29 04-13-2007, 10:29 PM

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I don't agree, or see anything special about this horse, but good luck. Tomorrow's field is nothing special on paper...but the Oaks? Maybe the Monmouth Oaks.

Who is really scary in the Oaks behind Rags? High Heels is a solid second choice then you are probably looking at the same horses that ran in the Bonnie Miss. If I thought this years Kentucky Oaks was coming up any stronger than most years Monmouth Oaks does then I wouldn't consider her an Oaks horse. This year it is a crapshoot.

Sightseek · #30 04-13-2007, 10:30 PM

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Who is really scary in the Oaks behind Rags? High Heels is a solid second choice then you are probably looking at the same horses that ran in the Bonnie Miss. If I thought this years Kentucky Oaks was coming up any stronger than most years Monmouth Oaks does then I wouldn't consider her an Oaks horse. This year it is a crapshoot.

I think this year's KY Oaks field is looking pretty good.

Sightseek · #31 04-13-2007, 10:32 PM

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A number of these have run better races than Fee Fi Fo Fum. There's more than a reasonable chance she won't get a perfect trip everytime she runs.

Honestly I see Perfect Forest tough to beat even though she isn't that much of a spectacular filly.

hurricanefrank · #32 04-13-2007, 10:34 PM

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A number of these have run better races than Fee Fi Fo Fum. There's more than a reasonable chance she won't get a perfect trip everytime she runs.

Granted she's hard to like anywhere close to her 7/2 m/l given her short resume, but her Bonnie Miss race was a good effort IMHO, especially since it was her first effort vs winners and only 2d l/t start. Bravo gave her a poor ride that day, forced to steady 2 or 3 times down the backside and still she kept her composure and finished with good energy in the lane vs a couple of very good fillies. If she moves forward off that effort she's in the mix late vs these.

blackthroatedwind · #33 04-13-2007, 10:47 PM

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Who is really scary in the Oaks behind Rags? High Heels is a solid second choice then you are probably looking at the same horses that ran in the Bonnie Miss. If I thought this years Kentucky Oaks was coming up any stronger than most years Monmouth Oaks does then I wouldn't consider her an Oaks horse. This year it is a crapshoot.

Because the Oaks field isn't " scary ", though you keep saying " besides Rags to Riches " as though her presense isn't VERY important, doesn't mean a horse like Fee Fi Fo Fum belongs. There are quite a few fillies well ahead of Fee Fi Fo Fum....whether or not they are " scary ". It's a moot ( by the way I love it when people spell this " mute " ) point, as she won't be in the Oaks, but she is a legitimate 100-1 in the Oaks right now and most likely higher.

blackthroatedwind · #34 04-13-2007, 10:48 PM

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Honestly I see Perfect Forest tough to beat even though she isn't that much of a spectacular filly.

I don't know if I would call her THE horse to beat but she's certainly one of them. It's actually kind of an interesting race.

I guess Perfect Forest will be the favorite but it should be close. It's not an easy race to get a read on.

SniperSB23 · #35 04-13-2007, 10:50 PM

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Because the Oaks field isn't " scary ", though you keep saying " besides Rags to Riches " as though her presense isn't VERY important, doesn't mean a horse like Fee Fi Fo Fum belongs. There are quite a few fillies well ahead of Fee Fi Fo Fum....whether or not they are " scary ". It's a moot ( by the way I love it when people spell this " mute " ) point, as she won't be in the Oaks, but she is a legitimate 100-1 in the Oaks right now and most likely higher.

Even if she wins the G2 Comely? You don't think she'd even belong in the field?

blackthroatedwind · #36 04-13-2007, 10:50 PM

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Granted she's hard to like anywhere close to her 7/2 m/l given her short resume, but her Bonnie Miss race was a good effort IMHO, especially since it was her first effort vs winners and only 2d l/t start. Bravo gave her a poor ride that day, forced to steady 2 or 3 times down the backside and still she kept her composure and finished with good energy in the lane vs a couple of very good fillies. If she moves forward off that effort she's in the mix late vs these.

Believe me, I think Bravo's riding performance at Gulfstream this meet was downright pathetic, but I can neither fault his ride on Fee Fi Fo Fum nor see what trouble you are talking about. Mildly steadying along, while inside in the pocket, especially in a two turn race at Gulfstream, is pretty close to a perfect trip to me.

Sightseek · #37 04-13-2007, 10:54 PM

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I don't know if I would call her THE horse to beat but she's certainly one of them. It's actually kind of an interesting race.

I guess Perfect Forest will be the favorite but it should be close. It's not an easy race to get a read on.

That is why I started this thread...Pletcher irks me, just when you think you might be able to beat him you can't. I'm awful at finding his weak favorites, unless you have Gomez on one of his other starters at a price. LOL

blackthroatedwind · #38 04-13-2007, 10:55 PM

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Even if she wins the G2 Comely? You don't think she'd even belong in the field?

It depends. I don't care that it's a Grade 2, or that it's called the Comely, only what kind of performances are given. Based on the pps of the field, and her prior races, I will be surprised if, should she win, it is an even mildly noteworthy effort. Right now this is a field of " maybes ", and a few never will bes, and personally I will be surprised if, based on what I have seen, Fee Fi Fo Fum delivers anything close to a knockout performance.

If I hadn't met you I would be convinced you were Jason Blewitt the way you love Jimmy Jerkens horses.

blackthroatedwind · #39 04-13-2007, 10:57 PM

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That is why I started this thread...Pletcher irks me, just when you think you might be able to beat him you can't. I'm awful at finding his weak favorites, unless you have Gomez on one of his other starters at a price. LOL

He's a terrific trainer, with great help, a great program, and a barnful of WAY better than average horses. He rules all divisions. But, he's overbet, so if you are selective you do fine playing against him. He is not a trainer with a positive ROI. His horses pay slightly better than $2 less the takeout.

SniperSB23 · #40 04-13-2007, 10:58 PM

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It depends. I don't care that it's a Grade 2, or that it's called the Comely, only what kind of performances are given. Based on the pps of the field, and her prior races, I will be surprised if, should she win, it is an even mildly noteworthy effort. Right now this is a field of " maybes ", and a few never will bes, and personally I will be surprised if, based on what I have seen, Fee Fi Fo Fum delivers anything close to a knockout performance.

If I hadn't met you I would be convinced you were Jason Blewitt the way you love Jimmy Jerkens horses.

Well we'll have Panty Raid coming in off a slow allowance win on the poly and probably drawing a decent amount of money so I can't really see how the winner of the Comely would be that out of place.

I swear I liked her before I saw she was trained by Jerkens. I actually was a big fan of Sir Greeley and Corinthian for almost a year before I realized they were both trained by him.