Real Derby Contenders

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by Scav

What I usually do is box 5 horses in the Derby as my one crazy insane wager of the year, usually play it for $10 so it cost me $200. So far, my pre Derby box is looking like Notional, Hard Spun (hate his style but like the progression), Zanjero, Street Sense, Scat Daddy. Notice the theme of horses that will sit off this pace, I am guessing we are going to see 23/46/108 this year and if that is the case, anyone within 3-4 lengths will be no where at the end....

Given the post draw obviously, I am considering a nice wager on Notional, like 100WP

I am actually considering taking the Derby off besides my 5 horse exacta box and maybe some pick threes with those five horses, and some win/place on Notional, and actually enjoying the day instead of getting all nuts on the handicapping

1:08 ? are you crazy ? your guessing that based on what ? I dont mean to sound rude or anything but 1:08, i look at the race and i dont see much pace, where do you see it that hot of fractions coming from ?

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

1:08 ? are you crazy ? your guessing that based on what ? I dont mean to sound rude or anything but 1:08, i look at the race and i dont see much pace, where do you see it that hot of fractions coming from ?

Stormello

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Stormello

its going to take alot more then him to go 1:08, and his latest work was slow, and now curin is saying they want to teach him to rate.

there is speed but there is no sprinter speed like last year w/ keyed entry and sinister minister.

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

its going to take alot more then him to go 1:08, and his latest work was slow, and now curin is saying they want to teach him to rate.

there is speed but there is no sprinter speed like last year w/ keyed entry and sinister minister.

Yeah good luck getting that horse to rate. I expect he'll be flying on the lead.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Yeah good luck getting that horse to rate. I expect he'll be flying on the lead.

i see what your saying, but i dont think anyone will respect him to go the distance, especially off of his last race, i will predict the pace is 23/47/1.10

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

its going to take alot more then him to go 1:08, and his latest work was slow, and now curin is saying they want to teach him to rate.

there is speed but there is no sprinter speed like last year w/ keyed entry and sinister minister.

Oh Christ!
You said YESTERDAY that you thought Stormello would turn in a "keyed entry like performance" in this year's Derby. Now you seem to be saying the opposite. You are the most frustrating poster I have ever encountered!!!

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Oh Christ!
You said YESTERDAY that you thought Stormello would turn in a "keyed entry like performance" in this year's Derby. Now you seem to be saying the opposite. You are the most frustrating poster I have ever encountered!!!

Keyed Entry didn't even make it six furlongs when the pace was 1:10 4/5ths. I don't see why he can't think Stormello will be this years Keyed Entry and that he won't run a 1:08 or even close to that.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Keyed Entry didn't even make it six furlongs when the pace was 1:10 4/5ths. I don't see why he can't think Stormello will be this years Keyed Entry and that he won't run a 1:08 or even close to that.

1:08 was a bad number but I was trying to get a point across that it is going to be contested and hot up front, and I would want a horse that is going to sit the trip

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Scav

1:08 was a bad number but I was trying to get a point across that it is going to be contested and hot up front, and I would want a horse that is going to sit the trip

I agree, the pace should be solid and will take out anyone not fit enough to go the 10 furlongs. The only horses that might have the class to sit near it and do well are Nobiz and Any Given Saturday.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Keyed Entry didn't even make it six furlongs when the pace was 1:10 4/5ths. I don't see why he can't think Stormello will be this years Keyed Entry and that he won't run a 1:08 or even close to that.

With Kent Desormeaux riding Stormello you don't know what he's going to do.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

With Kent Desormeaux riding Stormello you don't know what he's going to do.

check while on the lead?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

With Kent Desormeaux riding Stormello you don't know what he's going to do.

At least he'll have 19 butts to choose from to ride up on...Derby Day is probably his dream come true.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Oh Christ!
You said YESTERDAY that you thought Stormello would turn in a "keyed entry like performance" in this year's Derby. Now you seem to be saying the opposite. You are the most frustrating poster I have ever encountered!!!

i read where currin said they will rate him, his workout was also very very slow....

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Stormello

You know, I said this on another thread, but Stormello is not Stormello's problem. Stormello's problem is his trainer. I tried to give this guy the benefit but he is a moron. This friggin horse WANTS to rate, he wanted to rate early on BUT then he starts putting these 35' 3f works and 46 works into him and now he is uncontrollable. Seriously, if this horse was with Mandella/Assmussen/McLaughlin/Frankel, you would see a totally different horse

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

1:08 ? are you crazy ? your guessing that based on what ? I dont mean to sound rude or anything but 1:08, i look at the race and i dont see much pace, where do you see it that hot of fractions coming from ?

I gotta agree, this is nowhere near as loaded with speed as the Spanish Chestnut Derby and that one went in 1:09 2/5ths which is a torrid pace for a 10 furlong race. No way they go faster than that this year. I'm guessing 1:10 flat which will be enough to cook all the horses on the front end.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I gotta agree, this is nowhere near as loaded with speed as the Spanish Chestnut Derby and that one went in 1:09 2/5ths which is a torrid pace for a 10 furlong race. No way they go faster than that this year. I'm guessing 1:10 flat which will be enough to cook all the horses on the front end.

thats what im trying to say

[Scav]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

1:08 ? are you crazy ? your guessing that based on what ? I dont mean to sound rude or anything but 1:08, i look at the race and i dont see much pace, where do you see it that hot of fractions coming from ?

2006 - 1:10 and 2
2005 - 1:09 and 3
2004 - 1:11 and 4 Slop
2003 - 1:10 and 2
2002 - 1:11 and 4

Ok, so 1:08 is a little low but it will go 1:09

Pigtown Cat
hard Spun
Liquidity
Nobiz
Stormello - Currin is full of crap, he is going to the f'n lead
Teufleburg


That is just from the Future PP's

Stormello alone will go 1:09 if he is in there, nobiz is going to be a nut case and pigtown is gunning, and if DEADLY dealer goes, it will be the same situation as pletchers other rat that I can't think of his name

Yeah Teuflesberg will screw the race up real good. Expect that goofball to go a low 1:09 if he gets in.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by Scav

2006 - 1:10 and 2
2005 - 1:09 and 3
2004 - 1:11 and 4 Slop
2003 - 1:10 and 2
2002 - 1:11 and 4

Ok, so 1:08 is a little low but it will go 1:09

Pigtown Cat
hard Spun
Liquidity
Nobiz
Stormello - Currin is full of crap, he is going to the f'n lead
Teufleburg


That is just from the Future PP's

Stormello alone will go 1:09 if he is in there, nobiz is going to be a nut case and pigtown is gunning, and if DEADLY dealer goes, it will be the same situation as pletchers other rat that I can't think of his name

lol pigtown cat....

i dont know man, if you think so, im thinking 1.10

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Scav

2006 - 1:10 and 2
2005 - 1:09 and 3
2004 - 1:11 and 4 Slop
2003 - 1:10 and 2
2002 - 1:11 and 4

Ok, so 1:08 is a little low but it will go 1:09

Pigtown Cat
hard Spun
Liquidity
Nobiz
Stormello - Currin is full of crap, he is going to the f'n lead
Teufleburg


That is just from the Future PP's

Stormello alone will go 1:09 if he is in there, nobiz is going to be a nut case and pigtown is gunning, and if DEADLY dealer goes, it will be the same situation as pletchers other rat that I can't think of his name

Pigtown Cat couldn't run a 1:08 if you literally lit a fire under his ass.