Time Squared, can he upset the bluegrass ?

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Instead of just coming out and saying that you honestly think he can win, tell us what that is based on. Make the case, convince us. What is your rationale?

ok.....I think he can win because........


like scav said on another thread his race last friday he was in hand the whole trip, he went from last to first and did it easily.

This years three year old crop has not standouts, there are alot of very good horses but no great ones, and i know alot of ppl think the big 2 are in this race but i really do think this race could be ripe for a upset. Street Sense just barley beats Any Given Saturday, and then AGS comes back and runs horrible in the wood, Street Sense also has never won on the poly, as for Great Hunter he beats Sam P last time, but Sam p was getting to him late Sam P is the beaten favorite in the Santa Anita Derby where he is defeated by a maiden winner in Tiago.

Also the big 2 have bigger fish to fry there main goals are winning the Kentucky Derby, not running huge in the bluegrass 3 weeks out and having nothing left for kentucky, on the other hand Time Squared has to run 1-2 to even make it to the derby, which has to be the goal considering they are running him here to try and get the graded earnings.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

Time Squared has to run 1-2 to even make it to the derby, which has to be the goal considering they are running him here to try and get the graded earnings.

I am not entirely sure that Time Squared is aware of the graded earnings system that the Derby employs. I am therefore afraid that his ignorance regarding this issue may force him to just run around the track without that extra special motivation (like the rest of the horses).
This is obviously problematic because there are other horses in the race that can run around the track faster than him.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

ok.....I think he can win because........


like scav said on another thread his race last friday he was in hand the whole trip, he went from last to first and did it easily.

This years three year old crop has not standouts, there are alot of very good horses but no great ones, and i know alot of ppl think the big 2 are in this race but i really do think this race could be ripe for a upset. Street Sense just barley beats Any Given Saturday, and then AGS comes back and runs horrible in the wood, Street Sense also has never won on the poly, as for Great Hunter he beats Sam P last time, but Sam p was getting to him late Sam P is the beaten favorite in the Santa Anita Derby where he is defeated by a maiden winner in Tiago.

Also the big 2 have bigger fish to fry there main goals are winning the Kentucky Derby, not running huge in the bluegrass 3 weeks out and having nothing left for kentucky, on the other hand Time Squared has to run 1-2 to even make it to the derby, which has to be the goal considering they are running him here to try and get the graded earnings.

while i still don't agree with you about times squared -- this is a perfect lesson in what a little bit of spelling things out will do for you as opposed to just take strongheaded opinions and spouting them with nothing behind them.

i didn't find it convincing, but i do find it much more endearing than just saying $600000 WPS.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

like scav said on another thread his race last friday he was in hand the whole trip, he went from last to first and did it easily.

Watch the replay, he wasn't in hand the whole trip and did not win easy. He had no speed early on in a race that was horribly, hideously slow. It took him the length of the stretch and he just got up by a length.

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

This years three year old crop has not standouts,there are alot of very good horses but no great ones,

Define standouts. Do you mean compared with historical perspective? Maybe that is true that there are no standouts compared to other years, but our task here is to handicap this particular race, and I must tell you that
compared to Time Squared, every horse in this field is a standout.

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

Street Sense just barley beats Any Given Saturday, and then AGS comes back and runs horrible in the wood, Street Sense also has never won on the poly,

you say Any Given Saturday ran horrible in the Wood? He did regress but he actually only lost by three lengths to your superstar horse No Biz.
A more accurate description of a horrible race would be Time Squared's only attempt at taking on the better horses in this crop (which you have already stated does not contain any standouts) in the Sham. He was dead last losing by 17 lengths. And this is a race that has been exposed as not being a strong prep.

and as far as Street Sense never winning on the poly? as if Time Squared has the edge on him because of his maiden win last Friday? are you serious?
Street Sense was third beaten less than 2 lengths in a grade1 on the poly at this very track last fall. The horses that beat him were Great Hunter and Circular Quay.

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

as for Great Hunter he beats Sam P last time, but Sam p was getting to him late Sam P is the beaten favorite in the Santa Anita Derby where he is defeated by a maiden winner in Tiago.

Let me just say that there is no link between Tiago beating Sam P in the SA Derby, and Time Squared therefore being able to take down Street Sense and Great Hunter in the Blue Grass.

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

Also the big 2 have bigger fish to fry there main goals are winning the Kentucky Derby, not running huge in the bluegrass 3 weeks out and having nothing left for kentucky, on the other hand Time Squared has to run 1-2 to even make it to the derby, which has to be the goal considering they are running him here to try and get the graded earnings.

HAHA, the big two? Time Squared has to worry about more than the big two as there are several other much more accomplished horses. Teuflesberg, Zanjero, Dominican, Love Dubai, all of these horses are faster and more accomplished than Time Squared. If one or both of the big two have a so-so day and get upset, it will be by one of these other horses.

Timed Squared does not belong in the race and its an example of derby fever taking over.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Watch the replay, he wasn't in hand the whole trip and did not win easy. He had no speed early on in a race that was horribly, hideously slow. It took him the length of the stretch and he just got up by a length.

Define standouts. Do you mean compared with historical perspective? Maybe that is true that there are no standouts compared to other years, but our task here is to handicap this particular race, and I must tell you that
compared to Time Squared, every horse in this field is a standout.

you say Any Given Saturday ran horrible in the Wood? He did regress but he actually only lost by three lengths to your superstar horse No Biz.
A more accurate description of a horrible race would be Time Squared's only attempt at taking on the better horses in this crop (which you have already stated does not contain any standouts) in the Sham. He was dead last losing by 17 lengths. And this is a race that has been exposed as not being a strong prep.

and as far as Street Sense never winning on the poly? as if Time Squared has the edge on him because of his maiden win last Friday? are you serious?
Street Sense was third beaten less than 2 lengths in a grade1 on the poly at this very track last fall. The horses that beat him were Great Hunter and Circular Quay.

Let me just say that there is no link between Tiago beating Sam P in the SA Derby, and Time Squared therefore being able to take down Street Sense and Great Hunter in the Blue Grass.

HAHA, the big two? Time Squared has to worry about more than the big two as there are several other much more accomplished horses. Teuflesberg, Zanjero, Dominican, Love Dubai, all of these horses are faster and more accomplished than Time Squared. If one or both of the big two have a so-so day and get upset, it will be by one of these other horses.

Timed Squared does not belong in the race and its an example of derby fever taking over.

aj thats alot of work to say no.. you rally have done enough......let him play his horse..more money in the pool to take..wc fields was right..lol

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

aj thats alot of work to say no.. you rally have done enough......let him play his horse..more money in the pool to take..wc fields was right..lol

I know, I had to do it just once though.

I have done enough, I think I'll retire now.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I know, I had to do it just once though.

I have done enough, I think I'll retire now.

To the SHED..

You have too much time on your hands....

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Scav

To the SHED..

You have too much time on your hands....

I did it for your benefit too!

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Timed Squared does not belong in the race and its an example of derby fever taking over.

The final coup de gras.

[horseofcourse]

If Time Squared wins, I will parade around naked in front of all DT members.

(don't think I won't do it!!)

...not sure what this post means...but it needed to be said.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

If Time Squared wins, I will parade around naked in front of all DT members.

(don't think I won't do it!!)

...not sure what this post means...but it needed to be said.

Wow

[horseofcourse]

I think The first time starter in the Ark Derby has a better shot than Time Squared.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

If Time Squared wins, I will parade around naked in front of all DT members.

(don't think I won't do it!!)

...not sure what this post means...but it needed to be said.

hmmm

make sure i keep the camera handy!

Someone is smokin' the purple kush.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The final coup de gras.

I mean compare this to Shug with Sightseeing after finishing second to No Biz in the Wood.

"Shug, will you send Sightseeing to the Derby?"

"No, the horse isn't ready for that yet"

[Rootdog1]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The final coup de gras.

What happend to the topic on ATRAB last night --- If you have a decent horse then RUN THEM. TAKE SHOT.....The GIANT KILLER takes shots.


Now, I agree he has shown nothing to show he can win....but hell, at least they are running him and will prob get a check out of the deal.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Rootdog1

What happend to the topic on ATRAB last night --- If you have a decent horse then RUN THEM. TAKE SHOT.....The GIANT KILLER takes shots.


Now, I agree he has shown nothing to show he can win....but hell, at least they are running him and will prob get a check out of the deal.

First of all, I never said Patrick should or shouldn't run this horse, and that is not what I was talking about anyway. I'm talking about people looking for reasons NOT to run horses, i.e. Hard Spun, which is different than not liking an overmatched horse's chances.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

First of all, I never said Patrick should or shouldn't run this horse, and that is not what I was talking about anyway. I'm talking about people looking for reasons NOT to run horses, i.e. Hard Spun, which is different than not liking an overmatched horse's chances.

His owner wears red sport coats.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Rootdog1

What happend to the topic on ATRAB last night --- If you have a decent horse then RUN THEM. TAKE SHOT.....The GIANT KILLER takes shots.


Now, I agree he has shown nothing to show he can win....but hell, at least they are running him and will prob get a check out of the deal.

I don't think any of the discussion here was directed at faulting anyone for taking a shot.

This whole thing was kicked off by someone saying that he can win the race, which as you say seems highly unlikely.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Rootdog1

What happend to the topic on ATRAB last night --- If you have a decent horse then RUN THEM. TAKE SHOT.....The GIANT KILLER takes shots.


Now, I agree he has shown nothing to show he can win....but hell, at least they are running him and will prob get a check out of the deal.

The big difference is from the owners perspective the horse just has to run top five to cash a check. From a bettors perspective running top five does nothing for you.