Time Squared, can he upset the bluegrass ?

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

One of the surest signs of a losing horseplayer is someone who marries himself ( or herself ) to horses they have cashed bets on. While some might call it loyalty, what it really is is stupidity, as every race is different, and nobody who sanely looks at the pps for this Blue Grass Stakes can honestly give Time Squared anything even remotely close to an outside chance. He is WAY too slow....period.

i dont know if you are directing the above statement towards me, but if you are i never bet Time Squared, he was way to short a price last week, i also never said that i bet him last week, i just thought he was a standout vs the group last week, and as for him being way to slow, thats fine alot bigger upsets have happened.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

i have to respond again, you have to be directing your above statements at me because no one else said they thought he could win, so in that case..... where do you get off calling me a losing horseplayer ? i do pretty good, and latley i have been especialy hot.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i have to respond again, you have to be directing your above statements at me because no one else said they thought he could win, so in that case..... where do you get off calling me a losing horseplayer ? i do pretty good, and latley i have been especialy hot.

Of course you are guilty of this and have demonstrated this tendancy repeatedly on this site. I'm just trying to help you lose less.

Making Tiago your third likeliest Derby winner after you won on him last week was the latest glaring example that comes to mind....after Time Squared that is.

There is a lot of " I want to be a wise guy " disease running rampant and there is, of course, no easier spot to take crazy shots than the internet....the land of no accountability. You aren't a " wise guy " if you pick horses like Time Squared.....you're ridiculous. Being a wise guy is knowing when strong favorites are vulnerable AND when they aren't. Being a " wise guy " is understanding what longshots may be interesting, and why, and not just throwing as much sh1t against the wall as you can and waiting for some of it to stick.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Of course you are guilty of this and have demonstrated this tendancy repeatedly on this site. I'm just trying to help you lose less.

Making Tiago your third likeliest Derby winner after you won on him last week was the latest glaring example that comes to mind....after Time Squared that is.

There is a lot of " I want to be a wise guy " disease running rampant and there is, of course, no easier spot to take crazy shots than the internet....the land of no accountability. You aren't a " wise guy " if you pick horses like Time Squared.....you're ridiculous. Being a wise guy is knowing when strong favorites are vulnerable AND when they aren't. Being a " wise guy " is understanding what longshots may be interesting, and why, and not just throwing as much sh1t against the wall as you can and waiting for some of it to stick.

I NEVER said i was a wise guy, i bet horse's a couple days a week but when i bet, i bet heavy.....i like the horse i think he has a shot, i dont see what your saying as trying to help me, if you were trying to help me i'd take your advice and listen to you, because i know that i am VERY FAR from being perfect, i know im not the best. In my opinion you are accusing me of just picking horses and hoping the run big so i can look good, and that is not what i do. Belive me i would take your advice but dont sit here and try to make me look bad and then say " IM TRYING TO HELP YOU"

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

I NEVER said i was a wise guy, i bet horse's a couple days a week but when i bet, i bet heavy.....i like the horse i think he has a shot, i dont see what your saying as trying to help me, if you were trying to help me i'd take your advice and listen to you, because i know that i am VERY FAR from being perfect, i know im not the best. In my opinion you are accusing me of just picking horses and hoping the run big so i can look good, and that is not what i do. Belive me i would take your advice but dont sit here and try to make me look bad and then say " IM TRYING TO HELP YOU"

He IS trying to help you... believe me, his patience with you has been incredible.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

I NEVER said i was a wise guy, i bet horse's a couple days a week but when i bet, i bet heavy.....i like the horse i think he has a shot, i dont see what your saying as trying to help me, if you were trying to help me i'd take your advice and listen to you, because i know that i am VERY FAR from being perfect, i know im not the best. In my opinion you are accusing me of just picking horses and hoping the run big so i can look good, and that is not what i do. Belive me i would take your advice but dont sit here and try to make me look bad and then say " IM TRYING TO HELP YOU"

I am not trying to make you look bad....you are doing that by yourself. I am just pointing out the silliness of picking a horse like Time Squared, as I did when you picked Raceland a few weeks ago at Aqueduct, as it is either a desperate cry for attention or a dangerously poor opinion.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I am not trying to make you look bad....you are doing that by yourself. I am just pointing out the silliness of picking a horse like Time Squared, as I did when you picked Raceland a few weeks ago at Aqueduct, as it is either a desperate cry for attention or a dangerously poor opinion.

don't forget about his "tout" on discreet cat at a ridiculous 1-1, then he had the bravery or stupidity to say it was the biggest loss he ever had in 1 day. wise guy, its people like that i love. overbet the horse thats the greatest thing that never ran. i've seen those types come and go for years.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

don't forget about his "tout" on discreet cat at a ridiculous 1-1, then he had the bravery or stupidity to say it was the biggest loss he ever had in 1 day. wise guy, its people like that i love. overbet the horse thats the greatest thing that never ran. i've seen those types come and go for years.

so much for me to respond to but i will only take the time to respond to you.




what the does discreet cat have to do with me liking Time Squared ? As for him being even money, was it ridiculous before the race ? i dont think so, alot of ppl thought discreet cat would win, not just me, and i did lose alot on him, i truly belive even money was value on a horse who is normally 3-5, but again what does any of that have to do with me saying i like Time Squared ? I do like him i will be betting him win and place, and playing a pick 4 using him and the 2 favorites in the bluegrass, but once again what does any of what you said have to do with this thread about Time Squared?

[Grits]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

There is a lot of " I want to be a wise guy " disease running rampant and there is, of course, no easier spot to take crazy shots than the internet....the land of no accountability. You aren't a " wise guy " if you pick horses like Time Squared.....you're ridiculous. Being a wise guy is knowing when strong favorites are vulnerable AND when they aren't. Being a " wise guy " is understanding what longshots may be interesting, and why, and not just throwing as much sh1t against the wall as you can and waiting for some of it to stick.

Alright PG, you and I have talked about this.

Here, look at the words that I've bold faced. He IS, once again, trying to teach you something, he is NOT making fun of you.

Read his lesson and learn what a "wiseguy" is--in terms of the world of professional bettor's parlance. This is what he is explaining to you, for your benefit.

It is a lesson for you to learn, and a good one.

Don't get ragged when he throws up his hands and says, "hell with you."

You are stubborn as a mule, and sometimes, you do convey that you know more than so many that have been at this far longer than yourself.

Even blind pigs find nuggets now and then, but in the meantime, try to be less sensitive. And understand no one is against you--its not the case.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by Grits

Alright PG, you and I have talked about this.

Here, look at the words that I've bold faced. He IS, once again, trying to teach you something, he is NOT making fun of you.

Read his lesson and learn what a "wiseguy" is--in terms of the world of professional bettor's parlance. This is what he is explaining to you, for your benefit.

It is a lesson for you to learn, and a good one.

Don't get ragged when he throws up his hands and says, "hell with you."

You are stubborn as a mule, and sometimes, you do convey that you know more than so many that have been at this far longer than yourself.

Even blind pigs find nuggets now and then, but in the meantime, try to be less sensitive. And understand no one is against you--its not the case.

ok.. your right

[Grits]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

ok.. your right

See, I knew you would understand!! You just needed to think on it longer.

NEXT lesson . . .

Stay tuned.