All charges being dropped

timmgirvan · #1 04-11-2007, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

I think otherwise!
First off...I don't know if the girl was lying "from day one"...I don't know what she said and when she said it, I don't know if she was prompted by the DA or not. All I do know is that the evidence isn't there to support a rape charge and never was...I'm always cautious condemning someone like her cause I know how things like that can evolve...IF she made up a story then she can be charged...I don't think that has happened yet so I'll withhold remarks about what she did or didn't do! As I said...blame falls on her if she did lie and wasn't coerced. Your remarks would have been fine if you stopped with a comdemnation of the DA but you had to take a shot at Jackson and Sharpton...therein lies my problem!

Hey Somer: can you step off the "Freedom Train" long enough to get Sharpton to apologize for the Brawley fiasco? We both know that these 2 men never miss a "photo op" or fail to insinuate themselves into a situation to bless us with their wisdom. They're nothing but shills....mouths for hire!

somerfrost · #2 04-11-2007, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Hey Somer: can you step off the "Freedom Train" long enough to get Sharpton to apologize for the Brawley fiasco? We both know that these 2 men never miss a "photo op" or fail to insinuate themselves into a situation to bless us with their wisdom. They're nothing but shills....mouths for hire!

Timm,
They are leaders of the black community, it's not necessary for you or me to like them but they deserve the respect accorded to leaders. I already spoke of Tawana and that mess...as I said, Al jumped too fast but it was believable.
Whenever accusations are treated as facts, innocent people suffer...I have steadfastly stood by that point all my life. Again...the problem here is the oldest trick in the book, the topic is about the charges brought against the Duke guys...instead of focusing on the DA who is clearly the "bad guy" here, folks quickly attack Jesse and Al. This is an old worn-out tactic, used against Dr King himself...I agree 100% with the original issue...that these boys were treated unjustly by a corrupt public figure...but I wonder, why do folks have to use this topic (and others) to attack black leaders?

timmgirvan · #3 04-11-2007, 03:43 PM

The Black people don't consider either of these 2 to speak for them! That was in the MSM just the other day. So, because of the miscues that follow these 2...you really can't call them leaders btw...A leader apologizes when he makes an error in judgement(Sharpton)

somerfrost · #4 04-11-2007, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan

The Black people don't consider either of these 2 to speak for them! That was in the MSM just the other day. So, because of the miscues that follow these 2...you really can't call them leaders btw...A leader apologizes when he makes an error in judgement(Sharpton)

Nobody "speaks for" the black community...it is made up of individuals with individual points of view but Jesse and Sharpton are leaders. Tell me, how many times does George Bush apologize when he's wrong? In a perfect world, leaders would be perfect...but how can you justify holding black leaders to a higher standard than white leaders? This topic wasn't about Jesse and Al, it was about an injustice involving the Duke guys...but folks sure want to focus on Jesse and Al and again, I wonder "aloud" why???

timmgirvan · #5 04-11-2007, 04:06 PM

Try focusing...This isn't about Bush. These Bozo's(my apologies to the Clown College) continually insert themselves in situations that don't warrant their intrusion. We don't need Jackson(or Carter) leading a delegation to anywhere to save the world. I was responding to your statements. Actually, I would hold them to a higher stand simply because of the Rev. in front of their names...but that's just me. Their actions decry their title.

somerfrost · #6 04-11-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Try focusing...This isn't about Bush. These Bozo's(my apologies to the Clown College) continually insert themselves in situations that don't warrant their intrusion. We don't need Jackson(or Carter) leading a delegation to anywhere to save the world. I was responding to your statements. Actually, I would hold them to a higher stand simply because of the Rev. in front of their names...but that's just me. Their actions decry their title.

No, it's not about Bush...but neither is it about Jackson or Sharpton. Again, when you debate in academia, you would be penalized for jumping off topic...on the net, it's a way of life. Attacking people doesn't address issues...it's merely a smokescreen! I support Jackson and Sharpton and you don't...obviously there will be no agreement here. "Constantly inserting themselves...." Yeah, that's exactly what we heard in the 60's! "The folks around here know their place, it's you outsiders stirring up trouble..." And folks tell me how much things have changed!

timmgirvan · #7 04-11-2007, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

No, it's not about Bush...but neither is it about Jackson or Sharpton. Again, when you debate in academia, you would be penalized for jumping off topic...on the net, it's a way of life. Attacking people doesn't address issues...it's merely a smokescreen! I support Jackson and Sharpton and you don't...obviously there will be no agreement here. "Constantly inserting themselves...." Yeah, that's exactly what we heard in the 60's! "The folks around here know their place, it's you outsiders stirring up trouble..." And folks tell me how much things have changed!

That is so much crap...and you know it! If you wholeheartedly support these slugs, then it's apparent that you too agree that the ends justify the means! Too bad!

Payson Dave · #8 04-11-2007, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Timm,
They are leaders of the black community, it's not necessary for you or me to like them but they deserve the respect accorded to leaders. I already spoke of Tawana and that mess...as I said, Al jumped too fast but it was believable.
Whenever accusations are treated as facts, innocent people suffer...I have steadfastly stood by that point all my life. Again...the problem here is the oldest trick in the book, the topic is about the charges brought against the Duke guys...instead of focusing on the DA who is clearly the "bad guy" here, folks quickly attack Jesse and Al. This is an old worn-out tactic, used against Dr King himself...I agree 100% with the original issue...that these boys were treated unjustly by a corrupt public figure...but I wonder, why do folks have to use this topic (and others) to attack black leaders?

As leaders (black or otherwise) it would not be unreasonable for them to comment in a contructive manner rather than a destructive manner...they seem to be very vocal in a very much onesided way...

Mortimer · #9 04-11-2007, 03:50 PM

Please don't let Professor P. Garden WindBag see this.

He always finds a way to drag Iranian Studies into a discussion.

Grits · #10 04-11-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Hey Somer: can you step off the "Freedom Train" long enough to get Sharpton to apologize for the Brawley fiasco? We both know that these 2 men never miss a "photo op" or fail to insinuate themselves into a situation to bless us with their wisdom. They're nothing but shills....mouths for hire!

This is exactly what I believe many think the Rev.Sharpton and the Rev.Jackson to be.

"You got the money, we got the time."