Cowtown Cat gets huge BRIS #. Cobalt Blue gets excused

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

There is a man of great talent (cmorioles) who makes his own pace figures, and posts here from time to time....I'd be quite interested to see how he had the race from a pace standpoint.

This race was just a hard read for me all-around. All I know for sure is that I want no part of the winner in the Derby....as I believe he had everything in his favor.

drugs he has 84 pace 88 speed figure, a very week race, probably too weak if you ask me. I want to discuss this figure with him as he is on vacation this week, think its probably a tad low, but its obviously bogus by Bris.

[Pointg5]

I think he's going to be a factor going into the Derby and I will most likely use him in the top spot:

He was brilliant enough at 2 to track a quick pace and kick out a 92 BSF.

He can come from off the pace and be on the pace or track slow fractions.

He doesn't fight the rider.

He will be overlooked big time in the Derby and should offer a nice price.

I don't think the pace will be fast in the Derby and he could make the lead or stay just off of it. I think he will be left alone by most of the other jockeys.

I don't have "jockey love" in fact I think there's not much difference between them, but if Jara stays aboard, he's won the Belmont, The BC Classic, DWC within the last year, so he should be fine.

and he wins under different circumstances.

[Pointg5]

And most of all, these are all average horses this year

Plus he's had four preps this year, and he's going to have 4 weeks rest, so he could go forward.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

I think he's going to be a factor going into the Derby and I will most likely use him in the top spot:

He was brilliant enough at 2 to track a quick pace and kick out a 92 BSF.

He can come from off the pace and be on the pace or track slow fractions.

He doesn't fight the rider.

He will be overlooked big time in the Derby and should offer a nice price.

I don't think the pace will be fast in the Derby and he could make the lead or stay just off of it. I think he will be left alone by most of the other jockeys.

I don't have "jockey love" in fact I think there's not much difference between them, but if Jara stays aboard, he's won the Belmont, The BC Classic, DWC within the last year, so he should be fine.

and he wins under different circumstances.

Good luck with that.
He isn't a BAD horse, but I think using him on top of exotic wagers in the Kentucky Derby is akin to flushing $10 down the toilet and hoping that the turd faries give you $100 in exchange.
He will be overbet in a big way. His Illinois Derby looks better than it was, and every cat lover and cow lover that bets on derby day will play him.
Jara is a good jock, and you are right about his big wins in the BCC and the DWC. If he was riding the horse he rode in those races I'd play him, but I don't think any jock who ever lived could drag CC over the finish line first in a G1 10f race.
(Plus I already TOLD you.....he will finish exactly 16th)

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

drugs he has 84 pace 88 speed figure, a very week race, probably too weak if you ask me. I want to discuss this figure with him as he is on vacation this week, think its probably a tad low, but its obviously bogus by Bris.

He has an 88, Beyer has a 98, and Bris has a 108......I couldn't even manage a guess at it myself. And whatever it is, it won't matter much anyway in my opinion, because of the way the track was. Interesting anyway.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He has an 88, Beyer has a 98, and Bris has a 108......I couldn't even manage a guess at it myself. And whatever it is, it won't matter much anyway in my opinion, because of the way the track was. Interesting anyway.

sorry, when you said that I went back and his figures were not updated for this weekend and that is the gotham #, I ran the derby file at work and will check what it was, probably alot closer to the 98, sorry.