Tiago's Beyers???

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

What are you talking about? its not that everyone is abuzz over the horse. Steve merely said not to ignore him and that the possibility exists that he could win. That doesn't mean he was predicting a win. Predicting that he won't win is pretty lame and not very bold.

And what monsters are waiting to eat him alive? Who is your pick as of today.

If you ask me its too early to start ruling out a horse like Tiago as having no chance.

If you read this thread from the beginning,you will see there are a ton of people abuzz about this horse.
I have a right to disagree with all of them and Steve if I want.And he,and you and whoever else,have a right to disagree with me.That is just fine.That is how a forum works.I never said Steve was predicting a win,and that was not the topic we were discussing.Don't know how you got that.As far as my derby horse,I do not have one and will not until the first saturday in May,when I have the DRF in front of me.But I do know that Tiago will not be him.
Monsters?Everything east of California,those monsters.

[10 pnt move up]

Also here are the quarters and final 1/8th I came up with Tiago

25 24 23 3/5, 23 4/5, 12 4/5

what is wrong with that? This horse is bred to go farther, he is not really in play in the Derby as he will be overbet. While I respect Drugs opinion I think this horse has more talent then his brother.

If I hear the Santa Anita derby fell apart again I am going to puke. It was a fair race, the pace I have is 107 with a final of 100, hardly a fall apart (I had the derby as 130-100 that Giacomo won, now that is fall apart).

So objectively Tiago made a strong middle move into a fair pace to reach contention, then was able to grind out the win when Roxy got tired late. What is horrible with that for a horse in his fourth start? Sure he probably runs second had Roxy come home strong I would still view the outcome for what is, a well bred distance horse, late developing under strong connections who will run against a week field in a month.

Why is it everyone has to have an agenda when breaking down this colt, seems they are still frustrated over Giacomo if you ask me.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

If you read this thread from the beginning,you will see there are a ton of people abuzz about this horse.
I have a right to disagree with all of them and Steve if I want.And he,and you and whoever else,have a right to disagree with me.That is just fine.That is how a forum works.I never said Steve was predicting a win,and that was not the topic we were discussing.Don't know how you got that.As far as my derby horse,I do not have one and will not until the first saturday in May,when I have the DRF in front of me.But I do know that Tiago will not be him.
Monsters?Everything east of California,those monsters.

LMFAO!!! Talk about contradicting yourself.

[MisterB]

Does Mike Smith provide any negatives?? The Moss's think this horse is better than G-Man

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MisterB

Does Mike Smith provide any negatives??

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Originally Posted by MisterB

Does Mike Smith provide any negatives?? The Moss's think this horse is better than G-Man

what do you mean negatives? he sure rode the horse much better last out then victor did.

from what I understand the Moss' want Mike to ride all their horses from here on out and was one of the reasons he is going back to socal. (among others, like riding like **** in ny).

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

from what I understand the Moss' want Mike to ride all their horses from here on out and was one of the reasons he is going back to socal. (among others, like riding like **** in ny).

I'm sure he wont be too busy

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'm sure he wont be too busy

mike not busy, thats funny.......the guy never stops ( :

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MisterB

The Moss's think this horse is better than G-Man

think or hope?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

If you read this thread from the beginning,you will see there are a ton of people abuzz about this horse.
I have a right to disagree with all of them and Steve if I want.And he,and you and whoever else,have a right to disagree with me.That is just fine.That is how a forum works.I never said Steve was predicting a win,and that was not the topic we were discussing.Don't know how you got that.As far as my derby horse,I do not have one and will not until the first saturday in May,when I have the DRF in front of me.But I do know that Tiago will not be him.
Monsters?Everything east of California,those monsters.

Why do you claim to have the right to disagree with people talking about Tiago? Did anyone try to deny you that right?

I thought your taking such execption to Steve saying to not ignore the horse may have been mistakenly based on thinking that he was predicting a win.

So to you a monster is any horse outside of California and you start your handicapping on Derby saturday with the racing form. okaaay. very well then, but this sounds foolish. In one sense you are saying you haven't even started handicapping yet, while at the same time you are ruling out any horse from California? That is very arbitrary.

Each horse should be evaluated on its merits not based on the state where they prepped. In general I would agree that the CA horses are not overly strong this year, but its too soon to start ruling out an entire region haphazardly. I would for sure not rule out Great Hunter or Tiago at this point.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Why do you claim to have the right to disagree with people talking about Tiago? Did anyone try to deny you that right?

I thought your taking such execption to Steve saying to not ignore the horse may have been mistakenly based on thinking that he was predicting a win.

So to you a monster is any horse outside of California and you start your handicapping on Derby saturday with the racing form. okaaay. very well then, but this sounds foolish. In one sense you are saying you haven't even started handicapping yet, while at the same time you are ruling out any horse from California? That is very arbitrary.

Each horse should be evaluated on its merits not based on the state where they prepped. In general I would agree that the CA horses are not overly strong this year, but its too soon to start ruling out an entire region haphazardly. I would for sure not rule out Great Hunter or Tiago at this point.

Great Hunter is the goods. Every passing day I like his chances more.

[TitanSooner]

Originally Posted by philcski

Great Hunter is the goods. Every passing day I like his chances more.

agreed.. His Lewis was impressive

[KY_Sasquash]

Originally Posted by philcski

Great Hunter is the goods. Every passing day I like his chances more.

He's my top choice right now, too. Cant wait to see him run this weekend in the BG Stakes. a lot can change though