No Wood for Circular Quay

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

5 rattles.

I second that. Andy, you nailed it. Sending AGS to the Wood is the RIGHT move, from an earnings perspective as well as profile perspective... but why can't CQ at least run around the track in the Blue Grass if he's sound?!? Who cares if he finishes 3rd, 4th, 5th if it sets him up better for the big day (worked out just find for his charge last year)? Isn't that the point of a PREP?

For a guy as smart as Pletcher, he's making a really dumb move if CQ is sound enough to run this week or next and training him up to the Derby.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by philcski

I second that. Andy, you nailed it. Sending AGS to the Wood is the RIGHT move, from an earnings perspective as well as profile perspective... but why can't CQ at least run around the track in the Blue Grass if he's sound?!? Who cares if he finishes 3rd, 4th, 5th if it sets him up better for the big day (worked out just find for his charge last year)? Isn't that the point of a PREP?

For a guy as smart as Pletcher, he's making a really dumb move if CQ is sound enough to run this week or next and training him up to the Derby.

Todd Pletcher probably makes less " dumb moves " than any trainer I have ever seen...and that is while making many more starts than most. Thus, there has to be a missing part of this story.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Todd Pletcher probably makes less " dumb moves " than any trainer I have ever seen...and that is while making many more starts than most. Thus, there has to be a missing part of this story.

The guy manages his barn with incredible detail and rarely starts horses where they cannot win (the Dubai trip with Honey Ryder nonwithstanding.)
There HAS to be something missing.

[Grits]

Originally Posted by philcski

I second that. Andy, you nailed it. Sending AGS to the Wood is the RIGHT move, from an earnings perspective as well as profile perspective... but why can't CQ at least run around the track in the Blue Grass if he's sound?!? Who cares if he finishes 3rd, 4th, 5th if it sets him up better for the big day (worked out just find for his charge last year)? Isn't that the point of a PREP?

For a guy as smart as Pletcher, he's making a really dumb move if CQ is sound enough to run this week or next and training him up to the Derby.

I do not approach second guessing trainers decisions. I try, instead, to just deal with them, rather than contemplating and expounding on them.

In this particular instance though, it appears that Pletcher is quite concerned about Keeneland's poly surface. From the last paragraph in the article reported by DRF, he will be noting this weekend's races.

This was my first and only thought on the deal. The surface.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Grits

I do not approach second guessing trainers decisions. I try, instead, to just deal with them, rather than contemplating and expounding on them.

In this particular instance though, it appears that Pletcher is quite concerned about Keeneland's poly surface. From the last paragraph in the article reported by DRF, he will be noting this weekend's races.

This was my first and only thought on the deal. The surface.

Me neither, ESPECIALLY Pletcher, who has proven time and again he knows his stock to a T. A friend of mine owns a nice turf filly with him so I get a nice look at how he plots their courses through her (looks like the Beaugay next for the filly.)

I didn't see that article, I'll check it out. With the expected cold weather this week, that's an interesting thought as well with all the stuff that happened at TP.

[Grits]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

He was concerned with the surface in regards to another Derby contender of his Deadly Dealer. Dealer is very fast and in the fall the Keeneland poly played not too kind to speed. So Pletcher said he going to monitor it to see if it was stil playing that way. I didn't get that he was concerned about the surface in any way other than that.

Yes, you're right, he must be interested in the poly in regard to only this one runner, Deadly Dealer, in his barn.

My mistake--thinking he would be interested in any other of his horses going over the poly.

You're correct Dahoss.

[Grits]

Dahoss, I told you that you were correct, when I thought he had concern for CQ and possibly others in his barn...I went back and read the DRF article again, and saw the concern was for Deadly Dealer, so what are you telling me now? What did I miss?

[Grits]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I guess it appeared to me that you were being snide with what you were saying. My apologies if I was incorrect.

No, don't you think I've brought enough on myself in the last week?

Don't answer that, I'll hit you. . . (forgetting here that I'm talking to the dude who say's "its a message board, and I'll never meet you people, so I can kinda say, whatever.")

[Grits]

I am paraphrasing you . . . not quoting you. Stop needling me DaH.

I know you have many friends, and I would disagree, in that it is possible that you, though maybe only rarely, EDIT: MAY take what others say to heart.

We are all human, you included Mr.Lessthanmoved.

And you can't put that in your signature line, now ain't that a b!tch. LOLOL

[Cajungator26]

There's a calm surrender to the rush of day
When the heat of the rolling world can be turned awayAn enchanted moment, and it sees me through
It's enough for this restless warrior just to be with you

And can you feel the love tonight
It is where we are
It's enough for this wide-eyed wanderer
That we got this far
And can you feel the love tonight
How it's laid to rest
It's enough to make kings and vagabonds
Believe the very best

There's a time for everyone if they only learn
That the twisting kaleidoscope moves us all in turn
There's a rhyme and reason to the wild outdoors
When the heart of this star-crossed voyager beats in time with yours

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

For the record I had no real problem at all with what you said.


But that isn't really what I said about the board. My point was to take stuff to heart that someone you don't know says to you over a message board is ridiculous. I never said, I'll never meet you people, so I can kinda say whatever. As hard as it is to believe for some I actually have some friends on the board. I guess I just don't take to heart what people have to say about me. I know who matters and I care what they say. That's it.

for the record you can say whatever you want about me...but be warned I have friends that can take you out at the tele-theatre.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

for the record you can say whatever you want about me...but be warned I have friends that can take you out at the tele-theatre.

just to let ya'll know...pais would be the last person I would ever mess with...

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

For the record I had no real problem at all with what you said.


But that isn't really what I said about the board. My point was to take stuff to heart that someone you don't know says to you over a message board is ridiculous. I never said, I'll never meet you people, so I can kinda say whatever. As hard as it is to believe for some I actually have some friends on the board. I guess I just don't take to heart what people have to say about me. I know who matters and I care what they say. That's it.

Do I matter, DaHoss? I just can't handle it if I don't! BOOHOO!!!

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Nah. Us non human folk only care what close friends and family think. Crazy I know.

Ok, now I'm going to go and cry in my wine. You've been forewarned... I'm drinking the cabernet tonight.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by philcski

I second that. Andy, you nailed it. Sending AGS to the Wood is the RIGHT move, from an earnings perspective as well as profile perspective... but why can't CQ at least run around the track in the Blue Grass if he's sound?!? Who cares if he finishes 3rd, 4th, 5th if it sets him up better for the big day (worked out just find for his charge last year)? Isn't that the point of a PREP?

For a guy as smart as Pletcher, he's making a really dumb move if CQ is sound enough to run this week or next and training him up to the Derby.

I completely agree with you. If he's OK, you'd think TP would want to get some sort of prep in him. even if he just jogs around the track in a race like the blue grass. pulling CQ and sending AGS to the wood with the field the way it's shaping up makes perfect sense from a graded earnings perspective, but NOT placing CQ in another prep in favor of training up to the derby sends up a red flag to me.