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04-03-2007, 11:00 PM
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this sucks.
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04-03-2007, 11:04 PM
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It actually makes the Wood a better race as Circular Quay was going to be dramatically affected by the lack of pace.
I hope Circular Quay isn't being kept out of any preps in order to enhance the chances of another Pletcher horse getting enough earnings for the Derby. To rob fans of matchups of top horses because he is training too many good horses is a very unfortunate price for racing to pay and a bad indicator for the future.
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04-03-2007, 11:08 PM
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If that's the motivation... SHAME ON PLETCHER. I was just thinking how he's almost got TOO many possible starters and trying to juggle them all is counterproductive. But why would he compromise his likely "top dog" if this is the case? I have to think something is wrong and if that's the truth, he shouldn't be considering running him in the Derby. Actually, if he doesn't call an audible and send him to the Blue Grass, he shouldn't run him at all. The calvary charge isn't a place for a horse that's effectively had a 1 race campaign in 2007.
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04-03-2007, 11:31 PM
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I agree. CQ, was on the top of my Derby Trail horses (like most other people). With the move being made (i hate to say this) but i would rather hear that he is infact off the Derby Trail. 8 weeks without a race and skipping your last prep to be replaced by a stablemate sounds really fishy. I also hope this isn't a way for some of Pletcher's other stock to get graded earnings. How can you have confidence in a horse that's been shelved for 8 weeks prior to the biggest race of his career? -bt-
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04-03-2007, 11:54 PM
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04-04-2007, 01:25 AM
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04-04-2007, 03:09 AM
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which of pletchers horses would he be trying to get in the gate in the ky derby at the expense of circular quay? i'm not sure that theory makes a lot of sense.
his most interesting horse at this point (besides AGS) is deadly dealer, and if run on the board in the arkansas derby, he should be okay for the race.
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04-04-2007, 03:34 AM
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This is the kind of situation that makes you think of the way t-breds used to be handled.
Was very interesting hearing Bob Fox's segment this afternoon on the show about War Admiral and that he raced in a mile and a quarter allowance race just 4 days before his derby win. 4 days.. 8 weeks.. what's the difference?
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04-04-2007, 07:25 AM
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04-04-2007, 07:37 AM
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It's totally logical for Pletcher to give Any Given Saturday his earnings shot in this spot rather than risk it next week at KEE against a group where there is a legitimate chance he would be gutted again going for a top placement. This would seem to assure 'Saturday' a healthy check if he does anything other than fall down as well as an extra week's rest going into Churchill. A win-win.
But as for going into the Derby with Circular Quay off a 2 month break... Yeesh.
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04-04-2007, 07:41 AM
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04-04-2007, 07:54 AM
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i think it is a decision based on necessary earnings. CQ has them, AGS doesn't. even if AGS finished 2nd or 3rd that will give him enough earnings.
good decision? NO just doesn't make sense from a conditioning standpoint
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04-04-2007, 08:31 AM
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i fully understand taking AGS to the wood.
CQ-now that half of the equation doesn't add up. i also expect to hear that something is amiss with the horse.
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04-04-2007, 09:04 AM
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Unfortunately, I think this is the case as well.
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04-04-2007, 09:20 AM
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Im not qualified to judge this as good or bad. Unusual yes.A question I would like to ask some of the horsemen ,not just fans as I am. Can you have a horse ready to give his best effort and dont want to waste it for a prep race? Can youkeep him wound up for two months? Can Pletcher be thinking this horse is the special one and is actually training for the TC and not just the Derby. If he goes in the Derby I think it would be a mistake to automaticly toss him for this reason.
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04-04-2007, 08:50 AM
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AGS could go to Ill, Ark or even SoCal to get earnings. No need to shelve CQ. I suspect that there is more to it than earnings. CQ has not trained since 3/26. Something is amiss with him. The Pletcher barn has favored CQ from Day 1. Pletcher handled his sire and trained the dam to one of his very first G1 wins. This horse was the golden boy of the barn and I suspect that something may be wrong w/him. I doubt that they would be willing to "sacrifice" a Derby for him to benefit another. remember Pletcher handled Thunder Gulch and trained Circle of Life FOR TABOR. Coolmore is not a client that Todd wants to rile.
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04-04-2007, 09:10 AM
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Who knows what led to this decision? The problem with CQ is that he isn't "just" a G1 winning horse. He is a G1 winning horse by Thunder Gulch and out of a G1 winning mare. In today's game that makes him a piece of metal and the breeding shed a giant magnet. I fear we may have seen the last of him, but we have NO proof of that yet, so let's hope I'm wrong. I have always liked this horse because I like his style (I love deep closers) and because I always liked Thunder Gulch......BUT this horse may come to represent everything that is wrong with racing. First of all look at his pedigree. It is nothing but RAN and Northern Dancer EVERYWHERE!! http://www.pedigreequery.com/circular+quay Secondly, if he actually wins the Derby off an 8-week layoff (which I don't think is out of the question) it will deal yet another blow to the seemingly arcane concept of running racehorses in horseraces.
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04-04-2007, 08:57 AM
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If Any Given Saturday is ready and his owners are desperately wanting to make the derby, the wood is a far easier spot than the BlueGrass to get the graded earnings. I hope that CQ is sound, otherwise i assume they would run him in the bluegrass, even though he didn't love the track when he ran their last fall.
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