OT- Peter Gammons.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by Gander

I only watch him on Baseball Tonight and I dont see much of a bias coming through. I am a huge Red Sox fan but also follow many of the other games every night. Gammons is anything but bad for the game. Thats a ridiculous thing to say, especially at a time like this.

There was obviously a steroid story in the Red Sox clubhouse. Gammons just looked the other way. The kid that played for them in 2000 said they were everywhere. I have heard Gammons comment plenty on steroids, just not about the connection to the Red Sox. If it was there, which everyone knows it was, he must not have been doing his job or he just looked the other way.

[Suffolk Shippers]

Originally Posted by Exceller

There was obviously a steroid story in the Red Sox clubhouse. Gammons just looked the other way. The kid that played for them in 2000 said they were everywhere. I have heard Gammons comment plenty on steroids, just not about the connection to the Red Sox. If it was there, which everyone knows it was, he must not have been doing his job or he just looked the other way.

Well, this is all just false. A borderline rookie prospect doing HGH and steroids in the Red Sox clubhouse does not constititue the entire clubhouse doing it. Even if they did, peep the standings for 2000, the Sox were bad. This player was a fringe prospect, Paxton Crawford. No reporter ever blew the whistle on steroids, Gammons or otherwise. Other than Paxton Crawford and Manny Alexander THERE IS NO WAY TO STIPULATE THIS AS A SCANDAL. I'll repeat, Paxton Crawford and Manny Alexander, who combined have done as much in the majors as I have.

There was also a mention of him covering for the owners, which in 2000 was the Yawkey Trust, and not the same people who own them now, so that arguement has no weight either.

If we are going to harp on the Red Sox steroid scandal, of which there seems to be very little, where was Mike Vaccaro or Mike Lupica to enlighten the world on Jason Giambi or Gary Sheffield? Or any reporter IN ANY CITY covering any team? Where were any of them?

To paraphrase Gammons when you go back and look at jackasses like Giambi, Paxton Crawford, Jason Grimsley, Barry Bonds, Gary Sheffield, the whole bunch of the abusers, it makes you appreciate the raw ability and talent of people like Derek Jeter, Johnny Damon, Hideki Matsui, Jason Bay, Jonathon Papelbon, ARod, David Ortiz, Manny Ramierz, Jim Thome, all the guys who make baseball great.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by Suffolk Shippers

Well, this is all just false. A borderline rookie prospect doing HGH and steroids in the Red Sox clubhouse does not constititue the entire clubhouse doing it. Even if they did, peep the standings for 2000, the Sox were bad. This player was a fringe prospect, Paxton Crawford. No reporter ever blew the whistle on steroids, Gammons or otherwise. Other than Paxton Crawford and Manny Alexander THERE IS NO WAY TO STIPULATE THIS AS A SCANDAL. I'll repeat, Paxton Crawford and Manny Alexander, who combined have done as much in the majors as I have.

There was also a mention of him covering for the owners, which in 2000 was the Yawkey Trust, and not the same people who own them now, so that arguement has no weight either.

If we are going to harp on the Red Sox steroid scandal, of which there seems to be very little, where was Mike Vaccaro or Mike Lupica to enlighten the world on Jason Giambi or Gary Sheffield? Or any reporter IN ANY CITY covering any team? Where were any of them?

To paraphrase Gammons when you go back and look at jackasses like Giambi, Paxton Crawford, Jason Grimsley, Barry Bonds, Gary Sheffield, the whole bunch of the abusers, it makes you appreciate the raw ability and talent of people like Derek Jeter, Johnny Damon, Hideki Matsui, Jason Bay, Jonathon Papelbon, ARod, David Ortiz, Manny Ramierz, Jim Thome, all the guys who make baseball great.

Fine, the Sox have no guys using steroids. Anyway you look at it, a guy with the inside info of Gammons knew steroids were rampant in baseball and he just forgot to mention it. Can't argue with that. I guess it is more important to be in the know than to tell the truth.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Exceller

Fine, the Sox have no guys using steroids. Anyway you look at it, a guy with the inside info of Gammons knew steroids were rampant in baseball and he just forgot to mention it. Can't argue with that. I guess it is more important to be in the know than to tell the truth.

You're a ****ing idiot.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

You're a ****ing idiot.

Truth hurts. More steroid defenders. I guess you like cheaters. Drugs ruined baseball and now the are ruining horse racing.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Exceller

Truth hurts. More steroid defenders. I guess you like cheaters. Drugs ruined baseball and now the are ruining horse racing.

Nah, not true. There will always be people who try to cheat. Doesn't change the fact you're still a stupid ****ing idiot.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Nah, not true. There will always be people who try to cheat. Doesn't change the fact you're still a stupid ****ing idiot.

I thought name calling was bad. Isn't that right Investigator Clouseau? LOL.