Dubai World Cup

[Pointg5]

I guess you don't understand, I love Invasor. He's my favorite horse right now, I was in no way dissing his race yesterday, I loved it.

Go back and watch some of his other races, he was not moving the same way. He's had one loss and it was at that track.

I guess I shouldn't expect much out of you, because you're such a dumba$$ that you can't even tell I was admiring Invasor.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

I guess you don't understand, I love Invasor. He's my favorite horse right now, I was in no way dissing his race yesterday, I loved it.

Go back and watch some of his other races, he was not moving the same way. He's had one loss and it was at that track.

I guess I shouldn't expect much out of you, because you're such a dumba$$ that you can't even tell I was admiring Invasor.

Okay so you admire Invasor, good for you. That wasn't my main point to you which is that you don't know what you're talking about and can't define any of the comments you made about not rolling and how it was not normal.

Many people like yourself just spew out words in a effort to appear like they really know something. But when you probe them a bit you find out that the thoughts were based on faulty reasoning, failed to employ logic, or were simply not thought out that well at all. With you it's probably a blend of these elements.

Since you also immediately when challenged resort to name calling, my conclusion is that you have nothing to offer and are simply an angry unpleasant person and not one that I want to waste any further time on.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

I guess I shouldn't expect much out of you, because you're such a dumba$$ that you can't even tell I was admiring Invasor.

What is it with people named after Point Given on this board? He was a very nice 3yo, but people are doing more on this board to disgrace his name than even Point Determined did!!

[ateamstupid]

I love all of these folks playing the underdog Invasor card.

I don't see anyone on here ripping apart Invasor's competition like they ripped apart Bernardini's. I don't see anyone getting their panties in a bunch, huffing and puffing about how overrated Invasor is like they did about Bernardini. So quit with the "Invasor doesn't get any respect" tomfoolery. He might not get the "Bernardini = (Insert great horse here)" threads, but he also isn't getting the "I would give my left leg to see Bernardini run last" threads either. Take a breath.

Invasor is a great horse. Anyone who denies that is a moron. As is anyone who completely writes off Bernardini for losing by a length to Invasor. As is anyone who says Invasor is definitively better than Bernardini because of that race.

They're both in my Top Five list of greatest horses I've ever seen.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I don't see anyone getting their panties in a bunch, huffing and puffing about how overrated Invasor is like they did about Bernardini.

That is probably because Bernardini was overrated and Invasor is not.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by miraja2

That is probably because Bernardini was overrated and Invasor is not.

Right. One race, losing by ONE LENGTH to the horse that "isn't overrated," makes Bernardini overrated. Solid.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Right. One race, losing by ONE LENGTH to the horse that "isn't overrated," makes Bernardini overrated. Solid.

What? Where the hell did you get that from? Losing that race didn't make Bernardini overrated. He was overrated long before that.
Losing a race doesn't make a horse overrated. How highly that horse is rated does. I didn't say Bernardini was a bad horse. He wasn't. There is no shame in running second in the BCC or running second to Invasor. But he was overrated last summer/fall. No reasonable person could dipute that.
You don't seem to fully grasp what overrated means. It doesn't mean bad. It just means......well......overrated.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by miraja2

What? Where the hell did you get that from? Losing that race didn't make Bernardini overrated. He was overrated long before that.
Losing a race doesn't make a horse overrated. How highly that horse is rated does. I didn't say Bernardini was a bad horse. He wasn't. There is no shame in running second in the BCC or running second to Invasor. But he was overrated last summer/fall. No reasonable person could dipute that.
You don't seem to fully grasp what overrated means. It doesn't mean bad. It just means......well......overrated.

What the hell makes him overrated? It can't possibly be all his wins, so it has to be his one loss, right?

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I'm curious how one would come to this conclusion. What do you base this opinion on?

What do I base what opinion on? That a one-length victory in one race doesn't make one horse definitively better than another? Do I really need to elaborate?

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

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Invasor is a great horse. Anyone who denies that is a moron. As is anyone who completely writes off Bernardini for losing by a length to Invasor. As is anyone who says Invasor is definitively better than Bernardini because of that race.

I think anyone who uses the BCC as their sole reason for Invasor being definitvely better than Bernardini is a tool as well.

But it certainly plays a part in coming to the overwhemingly obvious conclusion that Invasor, in all reality, is a definitively better horse than Bernardini was.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I think anyone who uses the BCC as their sole reason for Invasor being definitvely better than Bernardini is a tool as well.

But it certainly plays a part in coming to the overwhemingly obvious conclusion that Invasor, in all reality, is a definitively better horse than Bernardini was.

And what would be those other parts, considering that they never faced each other elsewhere? Obviously Invasor has beaten better competition, but does that make him a definitively better horse? You might say yes, but I disagree.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

And what would be those other parts, considering that they never faced each other elsewhere? Obviously Invasor has beaten better competition, but does that make him a definitively better horse? You might say yes, but I disagree.

I think the competition is a huge factor. Neither have beaten a TON, but then again there isn't/wasn't much out there to beat. But the fact remains that the only time Bernardini really got a test from anything resembling a top-class racehorse, he didn't come through.

On the other hand, I think the Classic is important and we shouldn't dismiss it because Bernardini had every right to win that race and couldn't do it, so regardless of the fact that they only met once the result was important. Sure it was one length, but it's not like there was even a second during the stretch where Jara and Invasor didn't have Bernie's measure. It's the richest North American race and the horse wasn't even being urged in the very late stages. I believe, there is more stock to put into that race than you're letting on.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I think the competition is a huge factor. Neither have beaten a TON, but then again there isn't/wasn't much out there to beat. But the fact remains that the only time Bernardini really got a test from anything resembling a top-class racehorse, he didn't come through.

On the other hand, I think the Classic is important and we shouldn't dismiss it because Bernardini had every right to win that race and couldn't do it, so regardless of the fact that they only met once the result was important. Sure it was one length, but it's not like there was even a second during the stretch where Jara and Invasor didn't have Bernie's measure. It's the richest North American race and the horse wasn't even being urged in the very late stages. I believe, there is more stock to put into that race than you're letting on.

But the point is that it was one race. There's no doubt that Invasor was the better horse THAT DAY (though not tons better like you say). But who's to say what would've happened on a different track on a different day? For example, does Discreet Cat's race in Dubai make Invasor definitively better than Discreet Cat? He might indeed be better than DC, but I'm not willing to make that claim off of one race.

You might say that it's a different situation because DC wasn't himself yesterday, but I don't think Bernardini was himself in the Classic either. I hesitate to say that, because the Bernardini snipers will rush on here and say I'm making excuses, but I'm not saying that that makes the result phony at all. I'm also not saying, however, that the one race makes Invasor better than Bernardini.

Cigar Mile H. (G1) winner DISCREET CAT (Forestry), who suffered his first loss when checking in last of seven in Saturday's Dubai World Cup (UAE-G1), underwent a thorough veterinary examination at Al Quoz Stables on Sunday morning, according to the Godolphin website.

An endoscopy of his respiratory tract found an "obstructive granulomatous mass" within the colt's throat, as well as "significant swelling of the underlying throat wall," attributed to an "infective process."

Godolphin's veterinarians believe that these throat issues compromised Discreet Cat's performance in two ways. His airflow was obstructed, and he was also suffering "significant discomfort." The four-year-old bay is being treated for these maladies.

http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/edito...ll_edition.cgi

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

And what would be those other parts, considering that they never faced each other elsewhere? Obviously Invasor has beaten better competition, but does that make him a definitively better horse? You might say yes, but I disagree.

I'm curious how one would come to this conclusion. What do you base this opinion on?

Of the love of God get off the Bernardini. He is gone. Invasor is better this year than he was in the BC. Barbaro was also a great horse then by Bernadini standards. They just did not run enough to get all bent out of shape. I personally think Smarty Jones was better, but he had a short career also.

Invasor is a top flight older horse. The others never got to the older category.
If you take glory in Bernardini losing by one length fine. But he did not come back, Invasor has with a fury. He is a better horse now. Invasor barely even breathes hard after he is finished tough races. The animal is unique. And I love watching him run, great athlete. Maybe we can all say Candy Ride was the best horse we have ever seen cause he slaughtered Megs in such an awesome fashion. One time. And then he is done.