Another Confusing Decision from the NY Stewards

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Now that I've read the second page, this is AWSUMZ!

I perceive that you are being a troll, so therefore I am very well within my limits (according to your logic) in demanding that you lay down at the wire in the center of the track of the next quarter horse race at Portland Meadows.

Makes sense, eh? Because I perceived a deliberate action intended to harm my internet wellbeing.

And no, I won't give you the pleasure of being trampled by 4000N1Y claimers at Hawthorne. 2500N1Y claimer quarter horses at PM will have to do.

At the risk of validating ANYTHING PG1985 says, this may be the worst logic I've ever seen on this forum.

Again it is perception vs reality. It is a philosophical debate. If a man pushes you causing you to fall back what do you do. Did the man push you because he wanted to cause you harm, or did he push you because you were about to get hit by a car. You have to find out why one acted before you decide what to do. If the man pushed you so you wouldnt get hit by a car you would say thanks. If he pushed you because he was mad at you then you may want to defend yourself.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by whodey17

Again it is perception vs reality. It is a philosophical debate. If a man pushes you causing you to fall back what do you do. Did the man push you because he wanted to cause you harm, or did he push you because you were about to get hit by a car. You have to find out why one acted before you decide what to do. If the man pushed you so you wouldnt get hit by a car you would say thanks. If he pushed you because he was mad at you then you may want to defend yourself.

Well, again, having not even once watched the race you have no idea what happened.

So how are you able to talk about "perception" during the race when Martin obviously forced Coa to check in a manner that was 100%/360 degrees/COMPLETELY POLAR OPPOSITE of what Coa later did to him, WHEN YOU NEVER EVEN WATCHED IT ONCE?

Wait, to the rest of us that is evidence that you are NOT able to talk about it.

But, when all logic and reality fails, feel free to keep firing away.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Well, again, having not even once watched the race you have no idea what happened.

So how are you able to talk about "perception" during the race when Martin obviously forced Coa to check in a manner that was 100%/360 degrees/COMPLETELY POLAR OPPOSITE of what Coa later did to him, WHEN YOU NEVER EVEN WATCHED IT ONCE?

Wait, to the rest of us that is evidence that you are NOT able to talk about it.

But, when all logic and reality fails, feel free to keep firing away.

Why do I need to see the replay. BTW did a great job of giving me a visual. Again, I agree that Coa and Martin should be suspended. I think it should have been longer. I dont know what I think this is such a big deal.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by whodey17

Why do I need to see the replay. BTW did a great job of giving me a visual. Again, I agree that Coa and Martin should be suspended. I think it should have been longer. I dont know what I think this is such a big deal.

I think what we are trying to portray to you is the fact that they both got the same amount of days is what is mind boggling to us. If they want to give Martin a couple days for "careless riding", so be it. But for the stewards to actually think they both deserve the same suspension...it just flat bullsh*t and speaks volumes for their competancy in the job they are doing.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by GPK

I think what we are trying to portray to you is the fact that they both got the same amount of days is what is mind boggling to us. If they want to give Martin a couple days for "careless riding", so be it. But for the stewards to actually think they both deserve the same suspension...it just flat bullsh*t and speaks volumes for their competancy in the job they are doing.

Thank you for clarifying what seems to be being missed by some.

[blackthroatedwind]

What is also being lost here are the bettors. It is very possible the outcome of the race was altered by Coa's behavoir.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What is also being lost here are the bettors. It is very possible the outcome of the race was altered by Coa's behavoir.

Now that is a very good point.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What is also being lost here are the bettors. It is very possible the outcome of the race was altered by Coa's behavoir.

Andy, why do you think they left Ice up for show? I guess they felt the outcome of the race wouldn't have changed had the incident not occured?

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

This right here does it for me. How can you have an opinion on something like this without seeing it?

So a blind man can never have an opinion. That seems reasonable.

Originally Posted by whodey17

So a blind man can never have an opinion. That seems reasonable.

Do you get any handicapping opinions from blind people? Do you know any stewards who are blind? Aside from those in NY??

[philcski]

Originally Posted by whodey17

So a blind man can never have an opinion. That seems reasonable.

This may awfully simplistic, but if visual evidence is required... yes, of course.

If I turned on the radio and asked a man who was deaf what song was playing, would he know?

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[SentToStud]

A lot of the problem stems from the stewards likely feeling they needed to justify their decision not to make a DQ in the race. They made a poor "non-decision" there and felt compelled to justify it with their "equal fault" issuing of suspensions.

More and more, it seems, stewards are making their decisions based on the "did it or did it not alter the race outcome" concept. To be sure, subjectivity is part of their job, but it's gotten out of hand, imo.

I rarely see any DQ's any more for incidents other than those that occur in the homestretch which is wrong. To a great extent, a foul is a foul, wherever it occurs during a race. By not punishing riders for these fouls, the stewards only encourage this kind of bad race-riding tactics.

"Every man is given a spoon. Any man who loses his spoon spends a night in the box." Where's Boss Karl when we need him?

[whodey17]

You are the one that said how I can have an opinion without seeing something. If I was blind I couldnt have an opinion on this since I cannot see the video.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by whodey17

You are the one that said how I can have an opinion without seeing something. If I was blind I couldnt have an opinion on this since I cannot see the video.

Actually, no. You'd have to rely on what other people told you, so your opinion would be skewed.

You're obviously NOT blind, though, so you COULD appease us and watch the replay.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Actually, no. You'd have to rely on what other people told you, so your opinion would be skewed.

You're obviously NOT blind, though, so you COULD appease us and watch the replay.

It doesnt matter if I watch it or not. It is simple. Martin's horse came out, caused Coa to check. Coa got pissed and decided to take matters into his own hands. Coa was wrong and should be suspended. However, Coa would never had done what he did if Martin's horses didnt cause Coa to check. Martin didnt intend to do what he did and Coa did. However, the stewards didnt see it that way. I think both should be suspended for 30 days.