Another Confusing Decision from the NY Stewards

[Grits]

BTW, one can get exceedingly wired about what they see, no matter whether its 1 time or 27 times. With all of this knowledge though, one still cannot prove that which they cannot see.....not you, nor I, nor anyone else knows whether this began in the jocks room, at the start, or at the blind spot on the video.

Hawk is looking at this from a better standpoint, one that is not showing bias. Bias can cloud our judgement making us less acceptable to ALL facts or views.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Grits

BTW, one can get exceedingly wired about what they see, no matter whether its 1 time or 27 times. With all of this knowledge though, one still cannot prove that which they cannot see.....not you, nor I, nor anyone else knows whether this began in the jocks room, at the start, or at the blind spot on the video.

Hawk is looking at this from a better standpoint, one that is not showing bias. Bias can cloud our judgement making us less acceptable to ALL facts or views.

Grits...I am a huge Coa fan...and have made that clear many times on here in the past...so I am not being biased here at all. What he did was wrong, dangerous and he deserves more than 10 days. To put other jockeys and their horses in harms way, DELIBERATELY was uncalled for...whether it was something that stemmed from an incident in the jockeys room or not.

Eibar was wrong...and the stewards plainly f*cked up.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by GPK

Grits...I am a huge Coa fan...and have made that clear many times on here in the past...so I am not being biased here at all. What he did was wrong, dangerous and he deserves more than 10 days. To put other jockeys and their horses in harms way, DELIBERATELY was uncalled for...whether it was something that stemmed from an incident in the jockeys room or not.

Eibar was wrong...and the stewards plainly f*cked up.

Why is Coa wrong but not Martin? How do we know that Martin didn't do what he did on purpose?

[GPK]

Originally Posted by whodey17

Why is Coa wrong but not Martin? How do we know that Martin didn't do what he did on purpose?

You can clearly tell that Martin is trying to right the path of his horse. Where as Coa plainly looks directly over his left shoulder...sees Eddie there...and moves his mount in on him towards the rail.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by GPK

You can clearly tell that Martin is trying to right the path of his horse. Where as Coa plainly looks directly over his left shoulder...sees Eddie there...and moves his mount in on him towards the rail.

Yes you can tell that while watching the head on re-play. But put yourself in Coa's shoes. Maybe he didnt see it that way. It is easy to play armchair QB.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by whodey17

Yes you can tell that while watching the head on re-play. But put yourself in Coa's shoes. Maybe he didnt see it that way. It is easy to play armchair QB.

But...these guys are professionals. They do this for a living. They are trusted to make the right decisions out there. For their safety...for the safety of their horse...for the safety of other jocks. Being on a 1,000lb animal at 30mph is NOT the place to be taking retaliation...

Stupid, stupid decision by Coa....and again, I am an admitted fan as I have had great luck with him in the past. This incident does shed a new light on him for me though.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by GPK

But...these guys are professionals. They do this for a living. They are trusted to make the right decisions out there. For their safety...for the safety of their horse...for the safety of other jocks. Being on a 1,000lb animal at 30mph is NOT the place to be taking retaliation...

Stupid, stupid decision by Coa....and again, I am an admitted fan as I have had great luck with him in the past. This incident does shed a new light on him for me though.

I agree with you 100% and this is why he got suspended.

[blackthroatedwind]

Coa is his own worst enemy. He is a terrific talent, and has a likely big career ahead of him, but he gets hotheaded and does dangerous things. This MO has followed him for over a decade. I believe it has definitely kept him from riding a lot of more high profile horses.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by whodey17

But put yourself in Coa's shoes. Maybe he didnt see it that way.

That's the point. There is NEVER ANY reason to jeopardize the life of your horse, yourself, other riders, and other horses based on how one perceives an incident.

It doesn't matter if Coa thought Martin was trying to kill him when he was forced to check earlier in the race -- it is all irrelevant and inexcusable when the lives of riders and horses were put at risk in order to cash in on some personal vendetta.

If Coa was so pissed off about being forced to check, he should have played like a big boy and lodged an objection, instead of risking several lives -- equine and human.

So basically, perception DOESN'T matter.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I think you are kind of missing the point. It's not Coa's job to decide if Martin did it on purpose or not. That is what the stewards are there for. His job is to ride his horse. Thats it. Not to be a revenge seeker in the middle of the race. I really don't care how Coa saw it.

Let me throw this out there. What if what Coa did caused Martin to fall and he and the horse were badly injured, maybe killed. How would he explain it, or anyone else for that matter.

I agree it isnt Coa's job to decide what Martin intended to not intended to do, this is why he was suspended. I agree that he should have been suspended. I am not sure where the breakdown is occuring here.

[whodey17]

Ok I understand here.....I am defending the decision to suspend Martin. If Martin's horse never came out to force Coa to check then Coa would never had lost his cool and did what he did. One action caused another action. This is why I think the Stewards suspended Martin as well. So what I am saying is that the stewards prob looked at this and thought that Coa wouldnt have acted like he did if Martin's horse didnt cause him to check. Does this make sense here.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by whodey17

Why is Coa wrong but not Martin? How do we know that Martin didn't do what he did on purpose?

Who cares at that point? It's up to Coa to be an adult and not take it out on the track! He put other people (and horses) in danger.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What did Martin do though? I have watched it over and over and I don't see it.

Martin's horse came in and it caused Coa to check.