Another Confusing Decision from the NY Stewards

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by whodey17

I think equal punishment is justified. One cant retaliate if one isnt provoked.

How many times have you watched the head-on and pan shot from the race in question?

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

How many times have you watched the head-on and pan shot from the race in question?

27 times. Doesnt matter what we see with our eyes. Only matters what Coa perceived. Coa thought Martin did something wrong. Coa was angered and felt the need to retaliate. It is perception vs reality. But reprimanding one and not the other is not the answer. Obviously Coa felt he was threatened. Doesnt really matter what anything else thinks.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by whodey17

27 times.

You're entering a thread where an intelligent conversation is taking place and saying intentionally foolish things looking for a fight. That's known as trolling.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You're entering a thread where an intelligent conversation is taking place and saying intentionally foolish things looking for a fight. That's known as trolling.

Not at all. I just gave my opinion is all. You are the one that asked me a question. Why is my opinion seen as trolling and trying to find a fight?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by whodey17

27 times. Doesnt matter what we see with our eyes. Only matters what Coa perceived. Coa thought Martin did something wrong. Coa was angered and felt the need to retaliate. It is perception vs reality. But reprimanding one and not the other is not the answer. Obviously Coa felt he was threatened. Doesnt really matter what anything else thinks.

You decided to add to your original post and came up with this twisted logic?

So, by your logic, if a guy bumps me going onto a train, and I decide it was deliberate, I am well within my rights to push him onto the tracks when we exit. Why....because I felt threatened, regardless of what anyone else thinks. Or is it anything?

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You decided to add to your original post and came up with this twisted logic?

So, by your logic, if a guy bumps me going onto a train, and I decide it was deliberate, I am well within my rights to push him onto the tracks when we exit. Why....because I felt threatened, regardless of what anyone else thinks. Or is it anything?

If you are on a train and someone pushes you and you feel threatned then yes you have the right to protect yourself. I believe this is called self-defense. I am not a lawyer, but I think that holds up pretty well if one can prove they acted to a perceived threat to their person.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by whodey17

If you are on a train and someone pushes you and you feel threatned then yes you have the right to protect yourself. I believe this is called self-defense. I am not a lawyer, but I think that holds up pretty well if one can prove they acted to a perceived threat to their person.

It's a good thing you don't ride the NYC subways, as some innocent person would be dead, and you would have a rather large boyfriend.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by whodey17

27 times. Doesnt matter what we see with our eyes. Only matters what Coa perceived. Coa thought Martin did something wrong. Coa was angered and felt the need to retaliate. It is perception vs reality. But reprimanding one and not the other is not the answer. Obviously Coa felt he was threatened. Doesnt really matter what anything else thinks.

actually it does not matter what coa perceived...there is no situation in which it is okay to put horses and riders at risk for injury to settle a score.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

actually it does not matter what coa perceived...there is no situation in which it is okay to put horses and riders at risk for injury to settle a score.

I agree with that 100%. This is why Coa was suspended. But Coa acted because he felt he was threatened. Not saying it is right or wrong. Just saying what I believe he could have been thinking.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

actually it does not matter what coa perceived...there is no situation in which it is okay to put horses and riders at risk for injury to settle a score.

Exactly... if he needs to settle it, he can wait until after he has dismounted. It's unbelievable that there are people who believe it to be acceptable for him to retaliate. I don't care if Martin hit him over the head with a sledgehammer... he has no right to put other horses and riders in danger.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by whodey17

27 times. Doesnt matter what we see with our eyes. Only matters what Coa perceived. Coa thought Martin did something wrong. Coa was angered and felt the need to retaliate. It is perception vs reality. But reprimanding one and not the other is not the answer. Obviously Coa felt he was threatened. Doesnt really matter what anything else thinks.

Now that I've read the second page, this is AWSUMZ!

I perceive that you are being a troll, so therefore I am very well within my limits (according to your logic) in demanding that you lay down at the wire in the center of the track of the next quarter horse race at Portland Meadows.

Makes sense, eh? Because I perceived a deliberate action intended to harm my internet wellbeing.

And no, I won't give you the pleasure of being trampled by 4000N1Y claimers at Hawthorne. 2500N1Y claimer quarter horses at PM will have to do.

At the risk of validating ANYTHING PG1985 says, this may be the worst logic I've ever seen on this forum.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Now that I've read the second page, this is AWSUMZ!

I perceive that you are being a troll, so therefore I am very well within my limits (according to your logic) in demanding that you lay down at the wire in the center of the track of the next quarter horse race at Portland Meadows.

Makes sense, eh? Because I perceived a deliberate action intended to harm my internet wellbeing.

And no, I won't give you the pleasure of being trampled by 4000N1Y claimers at Hawthorne. 2500N1Y claimer quarter horses at PM will have to do.

At the risk of validating ANYTHING PG1985 says, this may be the worst logic I've ever seen on this forum.

Again it is perception vs reality. It is a philosophical debate. If a man pushes you causing you to fall back what do you do. Did the man push you because he wanted to cause you harm, or did he push you because you were about to get hit by a car. You have to find out why one acted before you decide what to do. If the man pushed you so you wouldnt get hit by a car you would say thanks. If he pushed you because he was mad at you then you may want to defend yourself.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by whodey17

Again it is perception vs reality. It is a philosophical debate. If a man pushes you causing you to fall back what do you do. Did the man push you because he wanted to cause you harm, or did he push you because you were about to get hit by a car. You have to find out why one acted before you decide what to do. If the man pushed you so you wouldnt get hit by a car you would say thanks. If he pushed you because he was mad at you then you may want to defend yourself.

Well, again, having not even once watched the race you have no idea what happened.

So how are you able to talk about "perception" during the race when Martin obviously forced Coa to check in a manner that was 100%/360 degrees/COMPLETELY POLAR OPPOSITE of what Coa later did to him, WHEN YOU NEVER EVEN WATCHED IT ONCE?

Wait, to the rest of us that is evidence that you are NOT able to talk about it.

But, when all logic and reality fails, feel free to keep firing away.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Well, again, having not even once watched the race you have no idea what happened.

So how are you able to talk about "perception" during the race when Martin obviously forced Coa to check in a manner that was 100%/360 degrees/COMPLETELY POLAR OPPOSITE of what Coa later did to him, WHEN YOU NEVER EVEN WATCHED IT ONCE?

Wait, to the rest of us that is evidence that you are NOT able to talk about it.

But, when all logic and reality fails, feel free to keep firing away.

Why do I need to see the replay. BTW did a great job of giving me a visual. Again, I agree that Coa and Martin should be suspended. I think it should have been longer. I dont know what I think this is such a big deal.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by whodey17

Why do I need to see the replay. BTW did a great job of giving me a visual. Again, I agree that Coa and Martin should be suspended. I think it should have been longer. I dont know what I think this is such a big deal.

I think what we are trying to portray to you is the fact that they both got the same amount of days is what is mind boggling to us. If they want to give Martin a couple days for "careless riding", so be it. But for the stewards to actually think they both deserve the same suspension...it just flat bullsh*t and speaks volumes for their competancy in the job they are doing.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

This right here does it for me. How can you have an opinion on something like this without seeing it?

So a blind man can never have an opinion. That seems reasonable.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I will translate this post....... I have watched it zero times.


I'm pretty good, huh?

Very very good I may say. Of course I didnt watch it. I dont need to watch it. Doesnt matter what I think.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I will translate this one as well.

Of course I didn't watch it. I don't need to watch it to troll. I am looking for an arguement.


I can also translate dogs barking as well. It's a skill.

No arguement at all. I am happy to let this lie. Again, it is only my opinion. But people keep asking me questions and I answer. I want someone to tell me why I am not entitled to my opinion on the topic.

[MisterB]

They should be like the NFL replay. Have the head Judge run to the replay booth, while we watch the replay on the Big screen, and everytime the infraction replays, we go ewh,ah.ewh ah, until the Judge comes out and says's, After the review of the reply, the call stands. 1st and 10. Play ball.

[Grits]

Every single post in this thread after post 88, and forward, until this morning with post 134 should be deleted. Two entire pages of nothingness added, that was useless exchange to what was an excellent thread. Brought about by a poster that was simply throwing chum to the fish. Absolute foolishness.

But now, one has 7+ pages to scroll through instead of 5.