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Old 03-27-2007, 02:17 PM
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Thanks for posting this, Steve... helps a lot.
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Old 03-27-2007, 02:43 PM
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Funny thing. You never hear of any one actually pointing a horse for the Illinois Derby. Has any trainer ever said "Yeah, we'll go from the Swale to the Gotham to the Illinois Derby..." Nope. It's like a last ditch stop to a big payday for someone yet Sweetnorthernsaint and Greeley's Galaxy both took alot of $$$ in the big dance in KY.
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Old 03-27-2007, 02:44 PM
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Is Ketchikan definitely going to the Arkansas Derby rather than the Blue Grass? It would be great if that was the case. Last I saw they were waiting as long as possible to make a decision.
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Old 03-27-2007, 02:51 PM
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Is Ketchikan definitely going to the Arkansas Derby rather than the Blue Grass? It would be great if that was the case. Last I saw they were waiting as long as possible to make a decision.
Al Stall was a surprise visitor to the show the other day and said he's leaning towards the Arky..
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Old 03-27-2007, 02:52 PM
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Al Stall was a surprise visitor to the show the other day and said he's leaning towards the Arky..
Cool, that would be great. I'd hate to see Ketchikan run third on the poly and miss the Derby. If he can't run top two in Arkansas then he doesn't belong anyways but I think he will put up a huge performance there.
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Is Ketchikan definitely going to the Arkansas Derby rather than the Blue Grass? It would be great if that was the case. Last I saw they were waiting as long as possible to make a decision.
going to ark derby
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Old 03-27-2007, 02:47 PM
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Funny thing. You never hear of any one actually pointing a horse for the Illinois Derby. Has any trainer ever said "Yeah, we'll go from the Swale to the Gotham to the Illinois Derby..." Nope. It's like a last ditch stop to a big payday for someone yet Sweetnorthernsaint and Greeley's Galaxy both took alot of $$$ in the big dance in KY.
Yeah, they did, but if I recall, wasn't 2001 the first year the Illinois Derby was used for a Derby prep? I think it used to be run in between the Derby and the Preakness.
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Old 03-27-2007, 02:47 PM
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Funny thing. You never hear of any one actually pointing a horse for the Illinois Derby. Has any trainer ever said "Yeah, we'll go from the Swale to the Gotham to the Illinois Derby..." Nope. It's like a last ditch stop to a big payday for someone yet Sweetnorthernsaint and Greeley's Galaxy both took alot of $$$ in the big dance in KY.
That trainer for Cowtown Cat has been pointing to it.
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Old 03-27-2007, 02:54 PM
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That trainer for Cowtown Cat has been pointing to it.
He is now, but in Jan. he didn't propose the Swale to the Gotham to the Ill. Derby. Until last week when Cobalt Blue's connections mentioned it, I'd forgotten it existed.
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As Dick Vitale would say, the next three weeks are "prime time baby" as far as the derby trail goes.

For a change the Bluegrass looks real relavent this year.
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As Dick Vitale would say, the next three weeks are "prime time baby" as far as the derby trail goes.

For a change the Bluegrass looks real relavent this year.
It's irrelevantly relevant though. Tons of the top horses are there but can you really conclude if Great Hunter beats Street Sense on poly again that he's going to do better than him when they get back to Churchill?
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Old 03-27-2007, 05:34 PM
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It's irrelevantly relevant though. Tons of the top horses are there but can you really conclude if Great Hunter beats Street Sense on poly again that he's going to do better than him when they get back to Churchill?
Forget the poly, even if they ran the Bluegrass on dirt at Churchill Downs and Great Hunter beat Street Sense, you couldn't automatically conclude that Street Sense wouldn't come back and win at Churchill downs in a month, there are many more factors than just the surface.
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Old 03-28-2007, 11:59 AM
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As Dick Vitale would say, the next three weeks are "prime time baby" as far as the derby trail goes.

For a change the Bluegrass looks real relavent this year.
It is amazing what a year does. And Barbaro. The time off looks good now. Ahhh the tide will certainly swing again. I remember everyone pounding GP for changing the date making the Bluegrass an irrelevant prep. That is what happened, correct?
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Hal's My Hope is out of the Florida Derby.....

He's coughing.
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Old 03-27-2007, 03:12 PM
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Funny thing. You never hear of any one actually pointing a horse for the Illinois Derby. Has any trainer ever said "Yeah, we'll go from the Swale to the Gotham to the Illinois Derby..." Nope. It's like a last ditch stop to a big payday for someone yet Sweetnorthernsaint and Greeley's Galaxy both took alot of $$$ in the big dance in KY.
War Emblem did okay coming out of his Illinois Derby romp.
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i heard Hard Spun might "pull a barbaro" and train right up to the Ky Derby. He has plenty of graded earnings and the BG is shaping up as the toughest prep. i think that is a good idea. the winner of that race will have probably exerted ALOT and will take alot out of him. why risk it.
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Old 03-27-2007, 03:25 PM
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i heard Hard Spun might "pull a barbaro" and train right up to the Ky Derby. He has plenty of greaded earnings and the BG is shaping up as the toughest prep. i think that is a good idea. the winner of that race will have probably exerted ALOT and will take alot out of him. why risk it.
Wouldn't that be more "pulling a Birdstone"? Barbaro went from the Florida Derby so it was only five weeks off.
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i heard Hard Spun might "pull a barbaro" and train right up to the Ky Derby. He has plenty of greaded earnings and the BG is shaping up as the toughest prep. i think that is a good idea. the winner of that race will have probably exerted ALOT and will take alot out of him. why risk it.
I think that it would be a mistake. I think that the sheets guys have brainwashed people to the extent that they are making decisions that are crazy. This horse has run in how many "tough" preps? Insane. But I guess only one guy is going to be right and most of the battle is actually getting there.
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Do you think Notional can hang with the big-tymers in Florida? I hope he gets a hard-trying 3rd so you can get some Derby Value on him...
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Old 03-27-2007, 03:41 PM
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Do you think Notional can hang with the big-tymers in Florida? I hope he gets a hard-trying 3rd so you can get some Derby Value on him...
Who would be considered a big-timer in the FL Derby field ? Not exactly the most accomplished bunch with the exception of Scat Daddy.
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