Ravel, How good is he ?

SniperSB23 · #1 03-20-2007, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

That much I agree with. What I was thinking was that they ship Ravel somewhere else and take a shot at that race with their best horse.

Because the Santa Anita Derby is going to be the G1 that Ravel has the best chance to win.

King Glorious · #2 03-20-2007, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Because the Santa Anita Derby is going to be the G1 that Ravel has the best chance to win.

I don't know about that. I don't know what the Wood and the Blue Grass fields will look like. Sightseek says they are loaded but I just don't see that at all.

SniperSB23 · #3 03-20-2007, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

I don't know about that. I don't know what the Wood and the Blue Grass fields will look like. Sightseek says they are loaded but I just don't see that at all.

The Wood won't be fantastic but they are already looking to get another G1 for Circular Quay in that one to be able to add "Grade 1 winner at 2 and 3" to the stallion ad plus there is Nobiz to Shobiz that is still scaring some trainers off. The Blue Grass is loaded including Street Sense, Great Hunter, Ketchikan, Belgravia, Any Given Saturday, and Twilight Meteor. All but Ketchikan are proven on the poly as well while Ravel isn't.

Sightseek · #4 03-20-2007, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

The Wood won't be fantastic but they are already looking to get another G1 for Circular Quay in that one to be able to add "Grade 1 winner at 2 and 3" to the stallion ad plus there is Nobiz to Shobiz that is still scaring some trainers off. The Blue Grass is loaded including Street Sense, Great Hunter, Ketchikan, Belgravia, Any Given Saturday, and Twilight Meteor. All but Ketchikan are proven on the poly as well while Ravel isn't.

Twilight Meteor is doing both the Lane's End & Bluegrass?

SniperSB23 · #5 03-20-2007, 07:30 PM

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Twilight Meteor is doing both the Lane's End & Bluegrass?

Assuming he runs well in the Lane's End that was their plan.

Sightseek · #6 03-20-2007, 07:32 PM

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Assuming he runs well in the Lane's End that was their plan.

LOL, glad you shared this tid-bit now....all's fair in love and TVG Fantasy!

Sightseek · #7 03-20-2007, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

I don't know about that. I don't know what the Wood and the Blue Grass fields will look like. Sightseek says they are loaded but I just don't see that at all.

You've got Circular Quay in the Wood (and Nobiz if the blinks help) and Street Sense & Any Given Saturday in the Bluegrass, do you think he can beat them?

King Glorious · #8 03-20-2007, 07:29 PM

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You've got Circular Quay in the Wood (and Nobiz if the blinks help) and Street Sense & Any Given Saturday in the Bluegrass, do you think he can beat them?

I don't think he can beat CQ. I do think that Street Sense and AGS are ripe for the taking in their next though. Ketchikan is not a threat, Belgravia hasn't run since he was born and I've never heard of Twilight Meteor. But with the change in surface, perhaps it is best to keep him here and run in the SA Derby. It probably will be the easiest of the races. It's just going to be a shame when they hold Rags out and run Ravel and he loses and they don't win the race at all.

SniperSB23 · #9 03-20-2007, 07:32 PM

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I don't think he can beat CQ. I do think that Street Sense and AGS are ripe for the taking in their next though. Ketchikan is not a threat, Belgravia hasn't run since he was born and I've never heard of Twilight Meteor. But with the change in surface, perhaps it is best to keep him here and run in the SA Derby. It probably will be the easiest of the races. It's just going to be a shame when they hold Rags out and run Ravel and he loses and they don't win the race at all.

He's the best 3yo turf horse and will be running on the polytrack at Keeneland. Does that tell you all you need to know?

King Glorious · #10 03-20-2007, 07:34 PM

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He's the best 3yo turf horse and will be running on the polytrack at Keeneland. Does that tell you all you need to know?

If he's a turf horse, that tells me he'll take to the track. But I still don't know anything about him. Never heard of him. I'll need to check on him.

Mortimer · #11 03-20-2007, 07:38 PM

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If he's a turf horse, that tells me he'll take to the track. But I still don't know anything about him. Never heard of him. I'll need to check on him.

I like that progressive logic you used in your post.

I associate it with that great rythmic line....

...There's an arrow in my arm.

That tells me there's an arrow in my arm.

I don't like it..

...and it hurts.

I'm going to take it out.

SniperSB23 · #12 03-20-2007, 07:40 PM

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If he's a turf horse, that tells me he'll take to the track. But I still don't know anything about him. Never heard of him. I'll need to check on him.

Pletcher horse, won the off the turf/onto the poly $125K Bourbon at Keeneland last year and then the $100K Hallandale Beach race on 2/24.

blackthroatedwind · #13 03-20-2007, 07:52 PM

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He's the best 3yo turf horse and will be running on the polytrack at Keeneland. Does that tell you all you need to know?

" The best 3YO turf horse " is not exactly a ringing endorsement at this point...not that you in any way suggested it was.

If he wins the Bluegrass it will immediately establish it as the most meaningless prep in history ( and, as we have both posted the same things throughout this thread, you probably will agree ).

King Glorious · #14 03-20-2007, 07:53 PM

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" The best 3YO turf horse " is not exactly a ringing endorsement at this point...not that you in any way suggested it was.

If he wins the Bluegrass it will immediately establish it as the most meaningless prep in history ( and, as we have both posted the same things throughout this thread, you probably will agree ).

I'll agree too. And it's only going to get worse when grass horses start winning "dirt" races on a regular.

SniperSB23 · #15 03-20-2007, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

" The best 3YO turf horse " is not exactly a ringing endorsement at this point...not that you in any way suggested it was.

If he wins the Bluegrass it will immediately establish it as the most meaningless prep in history ( and, as we have both posted the same things throughout this thread, you probably will agree ).

I was actually looking through the brisnet PPs of all the contenders to see which had high turf pedigree figures because of how little there is to the 3yo turf division right now. The couple that jumped out to me that haven't run on the turf yet were Hard Spun and Boogie Boggs. You might have to let Nick know there is a lot of money to be won on the turf this summer with Boogie Boggs (although I'm sure he is aware).

If Twilight Meteor and Belgravia were to run well enough in the Lane's End/Blue Grass to get the graded earnings we could have two horses making their first dirt start in the Kentucky Derby. So yeah, the Blue Grass being on poly is not only becoming a meaningless Derby prep but is also making capping extremely difficult for the Derby. Fortunately we have Kentuckyrosesinmay on here to let us know how the horses move over the dirt so we'll be all set.

Also, wasn't the Blue Grass already the most meaningless Derby prep? Don't horses who ran poorly in it previously have much better success in the Derby than the ones who won it?