Ravel, How good is he ?

blackthroatedwind · #1 03-20-2007, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

I got roasted on the other forum for saying he did nothing to impress me. He does have room to improve, as do all young horses, but what I saw from him didn't impress me one bit. Yet, the people were going crazy over him. I don't see it. Sniper was suggesting that the connections wouldn't run Rags to Riches in the SA Derby because they already have Ravel for that race. I think that's stupid. If they really want to win the race, why wouldn't they take their best shot? Their best shot is not Ravel.

It would be a disaster for them in many ways if Ravel finished second to Rags to Riches, and even if that chance is slight, the risk cannot be worth the negative rewards.

King Glorious · #2 03-20-2007, 07:11 PM

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It would be a disaster for them in many ways if Ravel finished second to Rags to Riches, and even if that chance is slight, the risk cannot be worth the negative rewards.

That much I agree with. What I was thinking was that they ship Ravel somewhere else and take a shot at that race with their best horse.

Sightseek · #3 03-20-2007, 07:13 PM

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That much I agree with. What I was thinking was that they ship Ravel somewhere else and take a shot at that race with their best horse.

But where? The preps are pretty loaded right now. Wood, FL Derby, Bluegrass...

SniperSB23 · #4 03-20-2007, 07:13 PM

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That much I agree with. What I was thinking was that they ship Ravel somewhere else and take a shot at that race with their best horse.

Because the Santa Anita Derby is going to be the G1 that Ravel has the best chance to win.

King Glorious · #5 03-20-2007, 07:18 PM

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Because the Santa Anita Derby is going to be the G1 that Ravel has the best chance to win.

I don't know about that. I don't know what the Wood and the Blue Grass fields will look like. Sightseek says they are loaded but I just don't see that at all.

SniperSB23 · #6 03-20-2007, 07:24 PM

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I don't know about that. I don't know what the Wood and the Blue Grass fields will look like. Sightseek says they are loaded but I just don't see that at all.

The Wood won't be fantastic but they are already looking to get another G1 for Circular Quay in that one to be able to add "Grade 1 winner at 2 and 3" to the stallion ad plus there is Nobiz to Shobiz that is still scaring some trainers off. The Blue Grass is loaded including Street Sense, Great Hunter, Ketchikan, Belgravia, Any Given Saturday, and Twilight Meteor. All but Ketchikan are proven on the poly as well while Ravel isn't.

Sightseek · #7 03-20-2007, 07:28 PM

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The Wood won't be fantastic but they are already looking to get another G1 for Circular Quay in that one to be able to add "Grade 1 winner at 2 and 3" to the stallion ad plus there is Nobiz to Shobiz that is still scaring some trainers off. The Blue Grass is loaded including Street Sense, Great Hunter, Ketchikan, Belgravia, Any Given Saturday, and Twilight Meteor. All but Ketchikan are proven on the poly as well while Ravel isn't.

Twilight Meteor is doing both the Lane's End & Bluegrass?

SniperSB23 · #8 03-20-2007, 07:30 PM

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Twilight Meteor is doing both the Lane's End & Bluegrass?

Assuming he runs well in the Lane's End that was their plan.

Sightseek · #9 03-20-2007, 07:25 PM

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I don't know about that. I don't know what the Wood and the Blue Grass fields will look like. Sightseek says they are loaded but I just don't see that at all.

You've got Circular Quay in the Wood (and Nobiz if the blinks help) and Street Sense & Any Given Saturday in the Bluegrass, do you think he can beat them?

King Glorious · #10 03-20-2007, 07:29 PM

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You've got Circular Quay in the Wood (and Nobiz if the blinks help) and Street Sense & Any Given Saturday in the Bluegrass, do you think he can beat them?

I don't think he can beat CQ. I do think that Street Sense and AGS are ripe for the taking in their next though. Ketchikan is not a threat, Belgravia hasn't run since he was born and I've never heard of Twilight Meteor. But with the change in surface, perhaps it is best to keep him here and run in the SA Derby. It probably will be the easiest of the races. It's just going to be a shame when they hold Rags out and run Ravel and he loses and they don't win the race at all.

SniperSB23 · #11 03-20-2007, 07:32 PM

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I don't think he can beat CQ. I do think that Street Sense and AGS are ripe for the taking in their next though. Ketchikan is not a threat, Belgravia hasn't run since he was born and I've never heard of Twilight Meteor. But with the change in surface, perhaps it is best to keep him here and run in the SA Derby. It probably will be the easiest of the races. It's just going to be a shame when they hold Rags out and run Ravel and he loses and they don't win the race at all.

He's the best 3yo turf horse and will be running on the polytrack at Keeneland. Does that tell you all you need to know?

blackthroatedwind · #12 03-20-2007, 07:14 PM

She gains very little for them by winning the Santa Anita Derby. Plus, it looks like the weakest prep, so therefore it suits their plans for Ravel quite well. If he were to somehow win that race he has already done enough for them in all likelihood.

Remember, they just retired their best 3YO in Europe.