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Old 03-20-2007, 06:08 PM
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Just sent in this week's Dispatch Derby Poll ballot after a super weekend..

1. Any Given Saturday
2. Street Sense
3. Notional
4. Great Hunter
5. Adore the Gold
6. Circular Quay
7. Nobiz Like Shobiz
8. Hard Spun
9. Ketchikan
10. Cobalt Blue

11. Zanjero
12. Scat Daddy
13. Stormello
14. Ravel
15. Liquidity
16. Curlin
17. Chelokee
18. Birdbirdistheword
19. Sam P.
20. I'mawildandcrazyguy
In my opinion cobalt blue and adore the gold are both way to high on the list, and birdbirdistheword does not belong anywhere in the top 20.
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Old 03-20-2007, 06:41 PM
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no 17 if he makes it....
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Old 03-20-2007, 06:44 PM
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I'm surprised you think that much of Notional Steve.
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Old 03-20-2007, 07:43 PM
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I'm surprised you think that much of Notional Steve.
He's plucky, professional and owns a turn of foot. To do what he did in the Risen Star showed gumption. In what is quickly becoming a group that is going to be tough to seperate, those qualities are 'endearing"...

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no 17 if he makes it....
The wiseguy's wiseguy horse.. Will get one shot at the brass ring. Going to get Matz tomorrow and see where Chelokee stands... Looks like IL Derby will be the place.

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In my opinion cobalt blue and adore the gold are both way to high on the list, and birdbirdistheword does not belong anywhere in the top 20.
The balloting asks 'who has the best chance to win the Derby' and for starters, Birdbird is ASSURED a spot in it if McPeek wants, and that puts him ahead of many. McPeek loves the horse, says he belongs and I believe him.

Cobalt Blue was seen by Nick Zito as the single most outstanding individual in the SAR yearling sale two years ago and is heartbroken not to have him in his shed.

Adore the Gold is an overachieving sort who is just plain dead game and was actually best in the Fountain of Youth.
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Old 03-20-2007, 07:55 PM
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Mine-Overall

Any Given Saturday 1 Street Sense
Street Sense 2 Circular Quay
Notional 3 Any Given Saturday
Great Hunter 4 Great Hunter
Adore the Gold 5 Ravel

Circular Quay 6 Scat Daddy
Nobiz 7 Nobiz Like Shobiz
Hard Spun 8 Notional
Ketchikan 9 Stormello
Cobalt Blue 10 Curlin

Zanjero 11 Adore The Gold
Scat daddy 12 Ketchikan
Stormello 13 Hard Spun
out-Ravel 14 Cobalt Blue
Liquidity 15 Chelokee

Curlin 16 Cowtown Cat
Chelokee 17 Sam P.
Birdbirdistheword 18 Liquidity
Sam P. 19 Zanjero
I'mawildandcrazyguy 20 Summer Doldrums
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Old 03-22-2007, 03:43 PM
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With TheGreek finally putting up some futures, I thought it would be worth seeing what's out there for the horses on the Dispatch poll.

Best future odds for Dispatch poll horses:

1 Street Sense 8.5-1 Greek
2 Circular Quay 14-1 Greek
3 Any Given Saturday 12-1 Greek
4 Great Hunter 14-1 Greek
5 (Ravel)
6 Scat Daddy 22-1 Greek
7 Nobiz Like Shobiz 14-1 Greek
8 Notional 25-1 Greek
9 Stormello 30-1 CRIS
10 Curlin 20-1 CRIS, Greek, Bodog
11 Adore The Gold 40-1 Greek
12 Ketchikan 40-1 Greek
13 Hard Spun 25-1 Greek
14 Cobalt Blue 28-1 Bodog
15 Chelokee 75-1 CRIS
16 Cowtown Cat 50-1 Greek, Bodog
17 Sam P. 80-1 Greek
18 Liquidity 33-1 CRIS
19 Zanjero 60-1 Greek
20 Summer Doldrums 40-1 Greek, World

"Greek" is thegreek.com. "CRIS" is now bookmaker.com. "World" is World Sports Exchange. "Bodog" is, er, Bodog.

These odds were there a few hours ago. There may be better available at non-A-rated books.

There is also this interesting prop at TheGreek:
Which trainer will win the Kentucky Derby
2101 Todd Pletcher +285
2102 Doug Oneill +485
2103 Any Other -325

(+285 means you get 2.85 to 1)

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Old 03-20-2007, 08:04 PM
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He's plucky, professional and owns a turn of foot. To do what he did in the Risen Star showed gumption. In what is quickly becoming a group that is going to be tough to seperate, those qualities are 'endearing"...


The wiseguy's wiseguy horse.. Will get one shot at the brass ring. Going to get Matz tomorrow and see where Chelokee stands... Looks like IL Derby will be the place.


The balloting asks 'who has the best chance to win the Derby' and for starters, Birdbird is ASSURED a spot in it if McPeek wants, and that puts him ahead of many. McPeek loves the horse, says he belongs and I believe him.

Cobalt Blue was seen by Nick Zito as the single most outstanding individual in the SAR yearling sale two years ago and is heartbroken not to have him in his shed.

Adore the Gold is an overachieving sort who is just plain dead game and was actually best in the Fountain of Youth.
i understand what the poll means, as for cobalt blue and adore the gold i just figured they were to high, just my opinion, if i had a top 20 they would be 15-20, and as for birdbird, i dont see much there i think alot of ppl will agree that he just is not talented enough, my opinion is that birdbird is a 3 tier 3 yr old.

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Old 03-20-2007, 08:05 PM
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i understand what the pole means, as for cobalt blue and adore the gold i just figured they were to high, just my opinion, if i had a top 20 they would be 15-20, and as for birdbird, i dont see much there i think alot of ppl will agree that he just is not talented enough, my opinion is that birdbird is a 3 tier 3 yr old.
Did you just call Steve a poll?
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Old 03-20-2007, 08:13 PM
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Did you just call Steve a poll?
lol no, i ment the top 20....
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Old 03-20-2007, 08:20 PM
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Did you just call Steve a poll?
Haha

Where's that Guy Smiley fellow when you need him?
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Old 03-20-2007, 08:34 PM
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AHA!

Another that was impressed with Cobalt Blue over Curlin. Makes it about a 3:10 ratio.
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Old 03-20-2007, 08:43 PM
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AHA!

Another that was impressed with Cobalt Blue over Curlin. Makes it about a 3:10 ratio.
visually i thought curlin was alot more impressive, actually overall i thought he was alot more impressive but as for the derby goes i dont like either of them
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Old 03-20-2007, 08:12 PM
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i understand what the pole means, as for cobalt blue and adore the gold i just figured they were to high, just my opinion, if i had a top 20 they would be 15-20, and as for birdbird, i dont see much there i think alot of ppl will agree that he just is not talented enough, my opinion is that birdbird is a 3 tier 3 yr old.
That's fine. I'm going to side with Ken McPeek on this.. No offense. Keep the name Tejano Run in the back of your mind though...
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Old 03-20-2007, 10:37 PM
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That's fine. I'm going to side with Ken McPeek on this.. No offense. Keep the name Tejano Run in the back of your mind though...
A rare error....
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Old 03-20-2007, 11:33 PM
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No doubt that Circular Quay is my board horse for the Derby.I really think Todd knows this is his Ace.This horse LUVS Churchhill Downs, which is a big plus leading up to the Derby.I just want to see one or two bullet works before derby day.I just hope he doesnt show to much his next outing that would kill his price come derby day.
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Old 03-21-2007, 12:08 AM
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No doubt that Circular Quay is my board horse for the Derby.I really think Todd knows this is his Ace.This horse LUVS Churchhill Downs, which is a big plus leading up to the Derby.I just want to see one or two bullet works before derby day.I just hope he doesnt show to much his next outing that would kill his price come derby day.
From what I've heard Pletcher considers Any Given Saturday (pre-TB Derby) his top 3yo. . . Whatever that's worth. . .
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Old 03-21-2007, 05:32 AM
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No doubt that Circular Quay is my board horse for the Derby.I really think Todd knows this is his Ace.This horse LUVS Churchhill Downs, which is a big plus leading up to the Derby.I just want to see one or two bullet works before derby day.I just hope he doesnt show to much his next outing that would kill his price come derby day.
PP,

Circular Quay is the barn pet around the T.A.P. shed... Any Given Saturday is the horse Pletcher wants to win with. When I talked to him Saturday after the race, he was very disappointed. I didn't understand until yesterday why... 'Saturday' now needs to finish 1-2 in the Blue Grass to MAKE the Derby grid. And the way the race is shaping up, that's no certainty... It would be stunning if Any Given Saturday ended up excluded from the Derby.

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great cant wait to hear he goes the sns route..but tell matz to put em in the wood..
Speaking of the 'SNS' route, start adding Street Magician to your stable watches. Trombetta's Preakness colt... He's taking the Bernardini route...

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A rare error....
LOL.. Don't the two of you go to the same barber in Louisville? (Maybe A.B. Meyer's shop there at Taylor and Central?)
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Old 03-21-2007, 01:48 PM
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That's fine. I'm going to side with Ken McPeek on this.. No offense. Keep the name Tejano Run in the back of your mind though...

McPeek claims that Bird is better than Harlan's Holiday. Still waiting for that to happen
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McPeek claims that Bird is better than Harlan's Holiday. Still waiting for that to happen
If they move any of the Triple Crown races to EVD the bird will be tough.
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Old 03-21-2007, 01:56 PM
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If they move any of the Triple Crown races to EVD the bird will be tough.

LOL, I didnt think about that. Good point! I can already see the headline now: "McPeek gives 'em the Bird"
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