Smarty Jones Classic

[robfla]

speaking of the HOF - isnt the HOF process awful?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by robfla

speaking of the HOF - isnt the HOF process awful?

It's much better now that they have made it harder to get in. Whatever led to Mike Smith's induction had to be stopped!

[blackthroatedwind]

And, while we are on the subject, Real Quiet has better credentials for the Hall of Fame than both Smarty Jones and Barbaro.

When do you foresee his induction? How about Charismatic? His are equivalent. War Emblem as well.

[Mortimer]

I 've always felt ,very strongly, that Dollar Bill and Victory Gall.........


...oh there I go again.








I'm sorry ,sir.

It won't happen again.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

And, while we are on the subject, Real Quiet has better credentials for the Hall of Fame than both Smarty Jones and Barbaro.

When do you foresee his induction? How about Charismatic? His are equivalent. War Emblem as well.

Real Quiet, Charismatic and War Emblem were not undefeated heading into the Triple Crown. If you remember, Smarty Jones and Barbaro were the only undefeated winners of the KY Derby since oh whats his name, that good horse back in the 70's? Oh yea, Seattle Slew. And there have only been three other horses to win the KY Derby while undefeated (and I had to look this up) Majestic Prince, Morvich, and Regret. Smarty and Barbaro are in pretty good company.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I think it is a bit much to be comparing either Smarty or Barbaro do those you have mentioned. I understand the point you are making but they aren't in those horses league.

You are correct, because of the other horses' accomplishments after the triple crown. SJ and Barbaro were never able to race after the Triple Crown, so who knows.

Still if you ever see a list naming the undefeated winners of the K Derby, those are the 6 horses on the list. SJ and Barbaro accomplished what they did to deserve being on that list.

Undefeated Derby Winners
2006: Barbaro (6-0)

2004: Smarty Jones (7-0)

1977: Seattle Slew (7-0)

1969: Majestic Prince (8-0)

1922: Morvich (12-0)

1915: Regret (4-0)

http://www.49abcnews.com/news/2006/m...cky_derby_win/

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

You are correct, because of the other horses' accomplishments after the triple crown. SJ and Barbaro were never able to race after the Triple Crown, so who knows.

Still if you ever see a list naming the undefeated winners of the K Derby, those are the 6 horses on the list. SJ and Barbaro accomplished what they did to deserve being on that list.

Undefeated Derby Winners
2006: Barbaro (6-0)

2004: Smarty Jones (7-0)

1977: Seattle Slew (7-0)

1969: Majestic Prince (8-0)

1922: Morvich (12-0)

1915: Regret (4-0)

http://www.49abcnews.com/news/2006/m...cky_derby_win/

The group that Barbaro faced was much much better than the one Smarty faced....Lion Heart? Ughh.

[blackthroatedwind]

You are parading out skewed facts for what reason?

Horses get in the Hall of Fame based on their careers, not what might have been, and Smarty Jones and Barbaro did not have careers worthy of the Hall of Fame or even comparable to the names you are mentioning. The fact that there were some similarities to their race records is irrelevent.

Here is a fact....War Emblem accomplished more in his career than Smarty Jones. Real Quiet accomplished more in his career than Smarty Jones. These are facts. What Smarty might have done had he not been " injured " is merely conjecture. His race record is unworthy of Hall of Fame discussion....much less inclusion.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You are parading out skewed facts for what reason?

Horses get in the Hall of Fame based on their careers, not what might have been, and Smarty Jones and Barbaro did not have careers worthy of the Hall of Fame or even comparable to the names you are mentioning. The fact that there were some similarities to their race records is irrelevent.

Here is a fact....War Emblem accomplished more in his career than Smarty Jones. Real Quiet accomplished more in his career than Smarty Jones. These are facts. What Smarty might have done had he not been " injured " is merely conjecture. His race record is unworthy of Hall of Fame discussion....much less inclusion.

Yeah and it's not like he would've beat Bernardini. Now there is a hof horse.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You are parading out skewed facts for what reason?

Horses get in the Hall of Fame based on their careers, not what might have been, and Smarty Jones and Barbaro did not have careers worthy of the Hall of Fame or even comparable to the names you are mentioning. The fact that there were some similarities to their race records is irrelevent.

Here is a fact....War Emblem accomplished more in his career than Smarty Jones. Real Quiet accomplished more in his career than Smarty Jones. These are facts. What Smarty might have done had he not been " injured " is merely conjecture. His race record is unworthy of Hall of Fame discussion....much less inclusion.

He was my introduction into horse racing....