Online Wagering

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by fmc123412

This is my first post here...

That espn forum was not very active...lol...

Well, does anybody can help me choosing an internet wagering site?!?

I´ve heard about bodog and pinnacle, but i am not sure which one to choose...

I cannot register on youbet, for instance....since i am not american.

Have you heard about tradesports.com?? Is it good for horse racing?

And pinnacle is good only for horse racing? What about the other sports and events, like the world cup?

WHAT DO I DO?????

Thank you!!

First, and I do not mean this snidely, you could do a little research yourself. It's very easy to see that Pinnacle has lots of ways to bet on the World Cup. You do not need an account to see Pinnacle's lines.

If you want just one sportsbook AND you make bets besides horseracing, then Pinnacle is almost certainly your best choice.

However, if you primarily make horseracing bets, then you should consider 5Dimes. This thread makes the case for 5Dimes:
http://derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=671

Any semi-serious bettor should have accounts at both 5Dimes and Pinnacle. Both books are 1st rate, and have top ratings at Sportsbookreview.com. You can read reviews of both books there, too.

The Tradesports.com option hasn't been discussed here, to my knowledge, but it is a good one. It may be as good as 5Dimes for small-to-medium bettors. It's a bit complicated, though, and I don't want to get into it right now. (I'd have to remember how it works!) It costs nothing to set up an account at Tradesports, though, and you can get a feel for it yourself.

If you do open an account at Pinnacle, open for the most money that you can spare, up to $5000. The 10% bonus you will get on your deposit is the only bonus you are going to get at Pinnacle.

--Dunbar

PS--Scuds was just kidding about the Portuguese. Heck, with both Portugal and Brazil going forward in the World Cup, Portuguese may become a much more popular language!

[Thunder Gulch]

If you play any other sports, Pinnacle is definately the way to go. Those guys should start paying me a commission with as many times as I have recommended them to others . Seriously though, I do it because it is the best way to go for the player. The rebates on horses and reduced juice on other sports really add up. Don't get caught up in the "bonus" game because bonuses will be gone. The big drawback with Pinnacle is they don't offer wagering over the phone. Has to be all online.

[fmc123412]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

If you play any other sports, Pinnacle is definately the way to go. Those guys should start paying me a commission with as many times as I have recommended them to others . Seriously though, I do it because it is the best way to go for the player. The rebates on horses and reduced juice on other sports really add up. Don't get caught up in the "bonus" game because bonuses will be gone. The big drawback with Pinnacle is they don't offer wagering over the phone. Has to be all online.

Thanks thunder gulch!

Another doubt that i have is if these sites retain some money when you take the money i have earned.....Is that an important amount?

Thank you!

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

If you play any other sports, Pinnacle is definately the way to go. Those guys should start paying me a commission with as many times as I have recommended them to others . Seriously though, I do it because it is the best way to go for the player. The rebates on horses and reduced juice on other sports really add up. Don't get caught up in the "bonus" game because bonuses will be gone. The big drawback with Pinnacle is they don't offer wagering over the phone. Has to be all online.

Thunder, they have phone wagering, but your total for the phone call has to be $100, for both sports or horses. I do it all the time

[Thunder Gulch]

Scav, do they give the rebates over the phones??.I was told they don't give you the lower vig on other sports, so I never even tried to play that way.

[Scav]

I think you are right about the lower vig over the phone.

I do get rebates for horses via phone, all tracks are 4%, including NYRA...(usually 7% for all tracks except NYRA which is 4%)

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Original poster,have you ever been north of the Equator?

[fmc123412]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Original poster,have you ever been north of the Equator?

Yes...i´ve been once in the US.

Also, i´ve been in some parts of Brazil that are in the north of the Equator.

May i know why the question?

[fmc123412]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

If you play any other sports, Pinnacle is definately the way to go. Those guys should start paying me a commission with as many times as I have recommended them to others . Seriously though, I do it because it is the best way to go for the player. The rebates on horses and reduced juice on other sports really add up. Don't get caught up in the "bonus" game because bonuses will be gone. The big drawback with Pinnacle is they don't offer wagering over the phone. Has to be all online.

I was doing a research and i realized that pinnacle is better for bettors who put a reasonable amount of money on their wages.

At this time, I don´t want to place any bets bigger than $10-$15. Is pinnacle good for me anyway?

I need small fees on withdraws and i intend to put nearly 80% of my bets on horse racing. (when there are some special events, this can get 50/50)

I´ve seen Vip Sports, Bodog and Bet365 could be a good option.

Am I right? Or pinnacle stills the best even for small bettors?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by fmc123412

I was doing a research and i realized that pinnacle is better for bettors who put a reasonable amount of money on their wages.

At this time, I don´t want to place any bets bigger than $10-$15. Is pinnacle good for me anyway?

I need small fees on withdraws and i intend to put nearly 80% of my bets on horse racing. (when there are some special events, this can get 50/50)

I´ve seen Vip Sports, Bodog and Bet365 could be a good option.

Am I right? Or pinnacle stills the best even for small bettors?

1 free withdrawal per month and you get 7% back on all wagers besides NYRA (4%).....5Dimes you only get 10% on your winning wagers....I know that Pinnacle will put it in your native language so that could be easier for you....

[randallscott35]

Easily Pinnacle. You get horse matchups as well.

[fmc123412]

Originally Posted by Scav

1 free withdrawal per month and you get 7% back on all wagers besides NYRA (4%).....5Dimes you only get 10% on your winning wagers....I know that Pinnacle will put it in your native language so that could be easier for you....

Yesterdey i tried to switch languages and only the menu was translated...

the explanations and everything else was in english as well....

I will try againg, anyway

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by Scav

1 free withdrawal per month and you get 7% back on all wagers besides NYRA (4%).....5Dimes you only get 10% on your winning wagers....I know that Pinnacle will put it in your native language so that could be easier for you....

A 10% bonus on winning bets is better than a 7% rebate, even if you make your picks by throwing darts. The math to prove that is really pretty simple.

However, the 10% bonus doesn't apply to place bets, so if fmc is making a lot of place bets, he/she is better off at Pinnacle.

Originally Posted by fmc123412

I was doing a research and i realized that pinnacle is better for bettors who put a reasonable amount of money on their wages.

At this time, I don´t want to place any bets bigger than $10-$15. Is pinnacle good for me anyway?

I need small fees on withdraws and i intend to put nearly 80% of my bets on horse racing. (when there are some special events, this can get 50/50)

I´ve seen Vip Sports, Bodog and Bet365 could be a good option.

Am I right? Or pinnacle stills the best even for small bettors?

The amount you bet doesn't matter. You get the same relative value out of a rebate or a bonus as a big bettor.

You can research the withdrawal fees yourself.

Why do you think VIP, Bodog and Bet365 are particularly good? None of those is nearly as good as Pinnacle or 5Dimes for horseracing.

Have you read the reviews at Sportsbookreview.com?

--Dunbar

[fmc123412]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

A 10% bonus on winning bets is better than a 7% rebate, even if you make your picks by throwing darts. The math to prove that is really pretty simple.

However, the 10% bonus doesn't apply to place bets, so if fmc is making a lot of place bets, he/she is better off at Pinnacle.



The amount you bet doesn't matter. You get the same relative value out of a rebate or a bonus as a big bettor.

You can research the withdrawal fees yourself.

Why do you think VIP, Bodog and Bet365 are particularly good? None of those is nearly as good as Pinnacle or 5Dimes for horseracing.

Have you read the reviews at Sportsbookreview.com?

--Dunbar

I´ve read the reviews at SBR and thi is why I think VIP, Bodog and Bet365 are good for me. They are also rated A+, like Pinnacle. But are more pointed to small players, in my opinion.

I´ve almost decided which one to go, and I think I will take Pinnacle. But I also liked Bet365 (although I think there is a lot of UK horse racing and nearly nothing US races). Bodog and Tradesports looked fine to me too. I am still watching...Thanks a lot for your help!

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by fmc123412

I´ve read the reviews at SBR and thi is why I think VIP, Bodog and Bet365 are good for me. They are also rated A+, like Pinnacle. But are more pointed to small players, in my opinion.

I´ve almost decided which one to go, and I think I will take Pinnacle. But I also liked Bet365 (although I think there is a lot of UK horse racing and nearly nothing US races). Bodog and Tradesports looked fine to me too. I am still watching...Thanks a lot for your help!

fmc, "pointed to small players" mostly means they are afraid of big bettors and will take action against them. It does not mean that they will treat small players better than Pinnacle or 5Dimes will. For example, I have had my bet limits reduced at VIP's sister casino Gameday. I had my account at Bodog completely frozen. In both cases, it was simply a case of winning too steadily.

Why would you consider opening at Bodog instead of Pinnacle? At Pinnacle you would get a rebate on most of your horseracing bets. At Pinnacle you will get a better line for most of your other sports bets than you would get at Bodog.

I do not have experience at Bet365, but they do have a nice promotion going on now. It appears they are paying a 10-15% bonus on all win/place/exotic wins (bonus is paid on the amount won, not like 5Dimes which pays its bonus on the total payoff). This promotion has been "extended to July 30". If it were permanent, it would make Bet365 a serious contender for best racing sportsbook. Getting a 15% bonus on exotics is the best deal I know of for exotics, even if the bonus is paid only on the amount won.

I was not aware of the Bet365 promotion. This is why I like participating in forums like Derby Trail. I usually learn something, even when I start out trying to be helpful.

--Dunbar

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by fmc123412

I´ve almost decided which one to go, and I think I will take Pinnacle. But I also liked Bet365 (although I think there is a lot of UK horse racing and nearly nothing US races).

There is not much US racing on Tuesdays. Check Bet365 again tomorrow to get a better idea of what tracks they take bets on.

--Dunbar

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by fmc123412

I´ve read the reviews at SBR and thi is why I think VIP, Bodog and Bet365 are good for me. They are also rated A+, like Pinnacle. But are more pointed to small players, in my opinion.

I´ve almost decided which one to go, and I think I will take Pinnacle. But I also liked Bet365 (although I think there is a lot of UK horse racing and nearly nothing US races). Bodog and Tradesports looked fine to me too. I am still watching...Thanks a lot for your help!

Avoid BoDog like the plague...they toss you if you win, manipulate the juice and lines on sports betting, and are not ashamed of doing it. They are a highly successful operation because they get bigger margins off the little guys, while Pinnacle makes slim margins on big volume...Pinnacle will take small bets, so that's the way to go. Set up a Neteller account if you want to get free payouts.

[fmc123412]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

First, and I do not mean this snidely, you could do a little research yourself. It's very easy to see that Pinnacle has lots of ways to bet on the World Cup. You do not need an account to see Pinnacle's lines.

If you want just one sportsbook AND you make bets besides horseracing, then Pinnacle is almost certainly your best choice.

However, if you primarily make horseracing bets, then you should consider 5Dimes. This thread makes the case for 5Dimes:
http://derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=671

Any semi-serious bettor should have accounts at both 5Dimes and Pinnacle. Both books are 1st rate, and have top ratings at Sportsbookreview.com. You can read reviews of both books there, too.

The Tradesports.com option hasn't been discussed here, to my knowledge, but it is a good one. It may be as good as 5Dimes for small-to-medium bettors. It's a bit complicated, though, and I don't want to get into it right now. (I'd have to remember how it works!) It costs nothing to set up an account at Tradesports, though, and you can get a feel for it yourself.

If you do open an account at Pinnacle, open for the most money that you can spare, up to $5000. The 10% bonus you will get on your deposit is the only bonus you are going to get at Pinnacle.

--Dunbar

PS--Scuds was just kidding about the Portuguese. Heck, with both Portugal and Brazil going forward in the World Cup, Portuguese may become a much more popular language!

Thanks Dunbar!

Actually, i did a research myself. But there are some websites that i really didnt know (like 5dimes), since almost nobody here know or use this kind of service

Another point is that there are some kind of exotic bets that here in brazil doesnt exist or have another name (like pick 3, pick 6, etc) and i dont know what they mean exactly....

Finally, there are some rebates and bonuses on these sites....i will take a deep look on them...because i have lots of doubts

I post this thread to know different sites that i had never heard about them before...like 5dimes...and mainly to get the opinion from people who use them! So i can evaluate your opinion....I dont want you to do the research i am supposed to do...

Thanks a lot for your help dunbar!!

[Scav]

Originally Posted by fmc123412

Thanks Dunbar!

Actually, i did a research myself. But there are some websites that i really didnt know (like 5dimes), since almost nobody here know or use this kind of service

Another point is that there are some kind of exotic bets that here in brazil doesnt exist or have another name (like pick 3, pick 6, etc) and i dont know what they mean exactly....

Finally, there are some rebates and bonuses on these sites....i will take a deep look on them...because i have lots of doubts

I post this thread to know different sites that i had never heard about them before...like 5dimes...and mainly to get the opinion from people who use them! So i can evaluate your opinion....I dont want you to do the research i am supposed to do...

Thanks a lot for your help dunbar!!

You can change Pinnacle into Portuguese if you want I think...I know you can change it into Spanish

[fmc123412]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

First, and I do not mean this snidely, you could do a little research yourself. It's very easy to see that Pinnacle has lots of ways to bet on the World Cup. You do not need an account to see Pinnacle's lines.

If you want just one sportsbook AND you make bets besides horseracing, then Pinnacle is almost certainly your best choice.

However, if you primarily make horseracing bets, then you should consider 5Dimes. This thread makes the case for 5Dimes:
http://derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=671

Any semi-serious bettor should have accounts at both 5Dimes and Pinnacle. Both books are 1st rate, and have top ratings at Sportsbookreview.com. You can read reviews of both books there, too.

The Tradesports.com option hasn't been discussed here, to my knowledge, but it is a good one. It may be as good as 5Dimes for small-to-medium bettors. It's a bit complicated, though, and I don't want to get into it right now. (I'd have to remember how it works!) It costs nothing to set up an account at Tradesports, though, and you can get a feel for it yourself.

If you do open an account at Pinnacle, open for the most money that you can spare, up to $5000. The 10% bonus you will get on your deposit is the only bonus you are going to get at Pinnacle.

--Dunbar

PS--Scuds was just kidding about the Portuguese. Heck, with both Portugal and Brazil going forward in the World Cup, Portuguese may become a much more popular language!

Dunbar,

I am a small bettor....I will not spend more than $100/month.

Is pinnacle best for me or 5dimes?

Dont you think both are too much for me?

Thanks!