nobiz.....

#1 03-13-2007, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

And the list of faster route horses this year?

Flying First Class OP 19 Feb 6F 107
Summer Doldrums AQU 10 Feb 1 1/16M 106
Mr Tex SA 09 Mar 6F 105
Deadly Dealer GP 03 Mar 7 1/2F 104
Exhale SA 15 Jan 6 1/2F 104
Ravel SA 03 Feb 1 1/8M 104
King of the Roxy GP 03 Mar 7 1/2F 103
Adore the Gold GP 03 Feb 6 1/2F 102
Circular Quay FG 10 Mar 1 1/16M 102
Coco Belle (f) SA 01 Feb 6F 102
Liquidity SA 03 Feb 1 1/8M 102
Texas Voyager SA 13 Jan 5 1/2F 102
Curlin GP 03 Feb 7F 101
Great Hunter SA 03 Mar 1 1/16M 101
Forefathers GP 03 Feb 6 1/2F 100
Teuflesberg OP 19 Feb 1M 100
Dream Rush (f) GP 10 Feb 6 1/2F 99
Ketchikan FG 16 Feb 1M 99
Sam P. SA 03 Mar 1 1/16M 99
Spin Master GP 03 Feb 7F 99
Street Magician GP 10 Feb 6F 99
Bold Start GP 03 Mar 7 1/2F 98
Ketchikan FG 10 Mar 1 1/16M 98
Nobiz Like Shobiz GP 03 Feb 1M 98
Try to Fly SA 03 Mar 6F 98

Do you want the list of faster older horses, too? This is the Beyer leaderboard for all distances, but plenty of Triple Crown nominees are so-far faster than Nobiz's 98.

SniperSB23 · #2 03-13-2007, 12:16 PM

Summer Doldrums AQU 10 Feb 1 1/16M 106
Ravel SA 03 Feb 1 1/8M 104
Circular Quay FG 10 Mar 1 1/16M 102
Liquidity SA 03 Feb 1 1/8M 102
Great Hunter SA 03 Mar 1 1/16M 101
Teuflesberg OP 19 Feb 1M 100
Ketchikan FG 16 Feb 1M 99
Sam P. SA 03 Mar 1 1/16M 99
Ketchikan FG 10 Mar 1 1/16M 98
Nobiz Like Shobiz GP 03 Feb 1M 98

A different picture when you just look at a mile or more. Interesting who the only horse on there twice is.

Cajungator26 · #3 03-13-2007, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Summer Doldrums AQU 10 Feb 1 1/16M 106
Ravel SA 03 Feb 1 1/8M 104
Circular Quay FG 10 Mar 1 1/16M 102
Liquidity SA 03 Feb 1 1/8M 102
Great Hunter SA 03 Mar 1 1/16M 101
Teuflesberg OP 19 Feb 1M 100
Ketchikan FG 16 Feb 1M 99
Sam P. SA 03 Mar 1 1/16M 99
Ketchikan FG 10 Mar 1 1/16M 98
Nobiz Like Shobiz GP 03 Feb 1M 98

A different picture when you just look at a mile or more. Interesting who the only horse on there twice is.

He's a nice colt, Sniper... but I think he's going to need to calm down a bit if he plans on winning the derby. I was definitely impressed with him on Saturday.

Edit: I realized how dumb the above sentence sounded... I don't think Ketchikan is planning on anything, but his connections probably are.

estreetposse · #4 03-13-2007, 12:17 PM

I believe he asked for the fastest ROUTE RACES

Sorry, this was already posted

ArlJim78 · #5 03-13-2007, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by FairPlay

Flying First Class OP 19 Feb 6F 107
Summer Doldrums AQU 10 Feb 1 1/16M 106
Mr Tex SA 09 Mar 6F 105
Deadly Dealer GP 03 Mar 7 1/2F 104
Exhale SA 15 Jan 6 1/2F 104
Ravel SA 03 Feb 1 1/8M 104
King of the Roxy GP 03 Mar 7 1/2F 103
Adore the Gold GP 03 Feb 6 1/2F 102
Circular Quay FG 10 Mar 1 1/16M 102
Coco Belle (f) SA 01 Feb 6F 102
Liquidity SA 03 Feb 1 1/8M 102
Texas Voyager SA 13 Jan 5 1/2F 102
Curlin GP 03 Feb 7F 101
Great Hunter SA 03 Mar 1 1/16M 101
Forefathers GP 03 Feb 6 1/2F 100
Teuflesberg OP 19 Feb 1M 100
Dream Rush (f) GP 10 Feb 6 1/2F 99
Ketchikan FG 16 Feb 1M 99
Sam P. SA 03 Mar 1 1/16M 99
Spin Master GP 03 Feb 7F 99
Street Magician GP 10 Feb 6F 99
Bold Start GP 03 Mar 7 1/2F 98
Ketchikan FG 10 Mar 1 1/16M 98
Nobiz Like Shobiz GP 03 Feb 1M 98
Try to Fly SA 03 Mar 6F 98

Do you want the list of faster older horses, too? This is the Beyer leaderboard for all distances, but plenty of Triple Crown nominees are so-far faster than Nobiz's 98.

Yes it would have been more appropriate to consider just three yr old routes. which Sniper has done. My point is that there are no breakaway speed merchants on that list that are so far ahead of NoBiz that you can just cast him aside and call him too slow. Some of those numbers I think are a little suspect and will need to be confirmed. He may not win the derby, but No Biz gives hints that he could run even better if he behaves, maybe blinkers will help, but he certainly this year can't be put on the list of being too slow to win the derby as it would take only a very small improvement to put him right in the mix.

SCUDSBROTHER · #6 03-13-2007, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FairPlay

Flying First Class OP 19 Feb 6F 107
Summer Doldrums AQU 10 Feb 1 1/16M 106
Mr Tex SA 09 Mar 6F 105
Deadly Dealer GP 03 Mar 7 1/2F 104
Exhale SA 15 Jan 6 1/2F 104
Ravel SA 03 Feb 1 1/8M 104
King of the Roxy GP 03 Mar 7 1/2F 103
Adore the Gold GP 03 Feb 6 1/2F 102
Circular Quay FG 10 Mar 1 1/16M 102
Coco Belle (f) SA 01 Feb 6F 102
Liquidity SA 03 Feb 1 1/8M 102
Texas Voyager SA 13 Jan 5 1/2F 102
Curlin GP 03 Feb 7F 101
Great Hunter SA 03 Mar 1 1/16M 101
Forefathers GP 03 Feb 6 1/2F 100
Teuflesberg OP 19 Feb 1M 100
Dream Rush (f) GP 10 Feb 6 1/2F 99
Ketchikan FG 16 Feb 1M 99
Sam P. SA 03 Mar 1 1/16M 99
Spin Master GP 03 Feb 7F 99
Street Magician GP 10 Feb 6F 99
Bold Start GP 03 Mar 7 1/2F 98
Ketchikan FG 10 Mar 1 1/16M 98
Nobiz Like Shobiz GP 03 Feb 1M 98
Try to Fly SA 03 Mar 6F 98

Do you want the list of faster older horses, too? This is the Beyer leaderboard for all distances, but plenty of Triple Crown nominees are so-far faster than Nobiz's 98.

Street Musician continues to work well.Anybody know what the immediate plans are for him?

#7 03-13-2007, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Street Musician continues to work well.Anybody know what the immediate plans are for him?

Funny you mentioned, I've been waiting on him as a friend of a friend owns him and i got in my first gulfstream photo a few weeks ago.He worked the other day in like 1:10.4 ! Its been announced that he will run on the undercard of the florida derby in the Aventura stakes at 7F, probably vs Jerkens , Blue Bullet, another speed burner.

JDank34 · #8 03-13-2007, 09:20 PM

PG1985..funny to me how you can dismiss Adore The Gold and any post and/or trip issues he may have had and yet STILL continue to gush over NBLS while making excuses for him. I am not a huge ATG fan in terms of Derby prospects, but I am still trying to understand your complete fascination with that goofball in Taggs barn?

Cajungator26 · #9 03-13-2007, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You're wasting your time.

Bingo.

JDank34 · #10 03-13-2007, 09:26 PM

Thanks DaHoss and Cajun..I totally agree with you

POINTGIVEN1985 · #11 03-13-2007, 09:26 PM

lets just wait to the wood, im predicting right now 4 weeks out that he wins it by more then 2 lenghts..... so lets just wait and see if he is a goofball in Taggs barn, or if tagg has another serious derby horse.

JDank34 · #12 03-13-2007, 09:30 PM

I'm prediciting right now.... 4 weeks out that Osama Bin Laden will be caught in a cave in Pakistan by Angelina Jolie's baby Maddox...NO WAIT that definately won't happen either...sorry I must have been daydreaming!

POINTGIVEN1985 · #13 03-13-2007, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JDank34

I'm prediciting right now.... 4 weeks out that Osama Bin Laden will be caught in a cave in Pakistan by Angelina Jolie's baby Maddox...NO WAIT that definately won't happen either...sorry I must have been daydreaming!

well buddy why dont you make a prediction, i put myself out there, if he losses i will have to here it from all of you, and if he wins i get no praise, but i still put out there what i feel and i feel he will improve with the blinkers and win the wood, regardless of who else runs in the wood

POINTGIVEN1985 · #14 03-13-2007, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Wow, talk about going out on a limb. You're predicting that a horse who will be no worse than second choice is going to win, and lengths too. Wow. NoBiz was and still is one of the top prospects in the Derby, no doubt. He has his flaws like everyone else does. Maybe the blinkers help, maybe not. We'll see.

well with the way most of you responded about nobiz when i originaly posted this thread you'd think he was going to be 50-1 in the wood