Racing product is Fine?

[POINTGIVEN1985]

i like my idea

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i like my idea

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i like my idea

Maybe in the future we will just assume that people like their own suggestions. We probably do not need a post affirming each one.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Maybe in the future we will just assume that people like their own suggestions. We probably do not need a post affirming each one.

Great idea!!!!

[POINTGIVEN1985]

lol, i get it

[Left Bank]

Personally,I think it all comes down to the fault of the breeding that is going on.
Polytrack,Slots,is not the answer or the cure.The breeding needs to improve.If you increase the purses,and put them on Polytrack,it is still the same miserable,chronic losers,now they are just running for a higher purse.
We need more than just the Northern Dancer line.Sure,the Fasig Tipton sale numbers went through the roof,but that just tells me there were some big ego's being massaged at the sale.Green Monkey can't even run,so how can he be a valuable commodity in the breeding shed worth 16 million?Tabor got robbed,in my book.
I personally believe we need to look to Japan for some answers.This is a country that has taken racing to a new level.They still race at all the classic distances,and their breeding programs are to die for.Their horses race DRUG FREE,and at preview sales shows,the horses are not allowed to go faster than 13 seconds a furlong,whips not allowed.Maiden special weight races have purses for 100k!! Track attendance is a sellout everyday.
So no,I do not think the racing product is fine in the USA.

[horseofcourse]

Geld every male thoroughbred born in this country for the next 5 years...every single one. That would thin out everything. They will have to race, the breeding industry would take a hit but keep going as there are more than enough stallions that will live those 5 years to keep the breed going...who's gonna pay 20 million at auctions for these precocious gelded yearlings or 2 yr olds?? 10 years doing this may actually be better. Not that it's a real solution...but I still like it!!

[Left Bank]

That still would not do it ,I think.What they need is a shot of some new blood,something that doesn't have all this Northern Dancer in it.And without all this inbreeding that has happened.The breed is so polluted it isn't funny.
Someone had a thread going on here along these lines.

[Grits]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

Personally,I think it all comes down to the fault of the breeding that is going on.
Polytrack,Slots,is not the answer or the cure.The breeding needs to improve.If you increase the purses,and put them on Polytrack,it is still the same miserable,chronic losers,now they are just running for a higher purse.
We need more than just the Northern Dancer line.Sure,the Fasig Tipton sale numbers went through the roof,but that just tells me there were some big ego's being massaged at the sale.Green Monkey can't even run,so how can he be a valuable commodity in the breeding shed worth 16 million?Tabor got robbed,in my book.

and at preview sales shows,the horses are not allowed to go faster than 13 seconds a furlong,whips not allowed.Maiden special weight races have purses for 100k!! Track attendance is a sellout everyday.
So no,I do not think the racing product is fine in the USA.

Actually, I think its the other way around, the Japanese are STILL learning from us, not vice versa.

If you spend time on the grounds and in the Sales Pavilion at Keeneland (or Fasig Tipton) you'll quickly note how many of the Japanese agents are there, buying our horses. The still know where to buy good horses.

Three of Japan's horses of recent years come to mind.

(1) As far as the breeding program, SUNDAY SILENCE is the greatest coup the Japanese ever pulled off. EVER. And the majority of their good runners, certainly, have been sired by this legend.

(2) On the other hand, another American purchase the Japanese made, was our great Kentucky Derby Winner, FERDINAND. When he was no longer useful to them, he was hauled up on a meat truck and sent to slaughter.

Dudes, why didn't you folks give somone in the old USA a call? We would gladly have paid the shipping to bring him home.

They didn't.

(3) The most recent Icon of their breeding program, DEEP IMPACT is another sired by Sunday Silence. This one couldn't lose, the greatest thing since rice. He was shipped to France last October, where he went off at near even money in the Arc de Triomphe.

The entire country, it appeared, was in the stands and on the rail, to watch their champion. Their screams turned silent as they watched him beaten by the great French turf trainer, Andre Fabre's, RAIL LINK, who on that day I had wagered to win. Deep Impact finished a disappointing third, and days later, it was announced he tested POSITIVE for an illegal drug.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by Grits

Actually, I think its the other way around, the Japanese are STILL learning from us, not vice versa.

If you spend time on the grounds and in the Sales Pavilion at Keeneland (or Fasig Tipton) you'll quickly note how many of the Japanese agents are there, buying our horses. The still know where to buy good horses.

Three of Japan's horses of recent years come to mind.

(1) As far as the breeding program, SUNDAY SILENCE is the greatest coup the Japanese ever pulled off. EVER. And the majority of their good runners, certainly, have been sired by this legend.

(2) On the other hand, another American purchase the Japanese made, was our great Kentucky Derby Winner, FERDINAND. When he was no longer useful to them, he was hauled up on a meat truck and sent to slaughter.

Dudes, why didn't you folks give somone in the old USA a call? We would gladly have paid the shipping to bring him home.

They didn't.

(3) The most recent Icon of their breeding program, DEEP IMPACT is another sired by Sunday Silence. This one couldn't lose, the greatest thing since rice. He was shipped to France last October, where he went off at near even money in the Arc de Triomphe.

The entire country, it appeared, was in the stands and on the rail, to watch their champion. Their screams turned silent as they watched him beaten by the great French turf trainer, Andre Fabre's, RAIL LINK, who on that day I had wagered to win. Deep Impact finished a disappointing third, and days later, it was announced he tested POSITIVE for an illegal drug.

You're right .They are learning from us.On what NOT to do!!!Of course they buy horses here.Everyone does.But they also buy them in other countries also.
You mention Ferdinand getting butchered.One horse.How about the THOUSANDS that go to slaughter here every year.Like we have such a great record on that topic.
Gee,Deep Impact finished third in the Arc.Not bad.
The trainer got popped.One out of how many?
In our country,trainers get popped left and right every week.And get a slap on the hand.I guarantee this Japanese trainer will be publicly shamed,and lucky to keep his job.So yeah,I think they are learning from us

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Grits

(3) The most recent Icon of their breeding program, DEEP IMPACT is another sired by Sunday Silence. This one couldn't lose, the greatest thing since rice. He was shipped to France last October, where he went off at near even money in the Arc de Triomphe.

The entire country, it appeared, was in the stands and on the rail, to watch their champion. Their screams turned silent as they watched him beaten by the great French turf trainer, Andre Fabre's, RAIL LINK, who on that day I had wagered to win. Deep Impact finished a disappointing third, and days later, it was announced he tested POSITIVE for an illegal drug.

So did you actually attend the Arc, and see the throngs of Japanese fans and hear their screams? Because if you didn't where did you get that information? I thought the point of your response was that the Japanese are still learning from us about horse racing. Why then would you seem to take such delight in recounting both the number and sadness of the Japanese fans? Was that somehow the wrong thing to do, to travel to Paris to cheer for their hero? Was your winning wager somehow sweeter because you knew how disappointed those people were?

No Deep Impact didn't win that race, and who knows why he raced on the lead anyway. But its only fair to mention that as shattered as the Japanese fans dreams were for their hero, they weren't as bad off as the fans of the reigning Arc champion and at that time current #1 ranked horse in the world Hurricane Run who was badly beaten that day by Deep Impact. Did you happen to notice their silence, or were you only focused on the sadness of the Japanese fans?

Or how about another failure on that day, the leading charge of trainer Andre Fabre, Shirocco? Surely there were pockets of German backers of Shirocco that were crushed.

No non-European horse has ever won the Arc. I think they took a big risk and were very sporting to give it a go. That they found trace amounts of a drug in his system that is legal in Japan I file under the heading "What a Shocker!"
Anyway I somehow doubt that we are the model to follow or learn from when it comes to drugs in horses.

Originally Posted by Grits

...SUNDAY SILENCE is the greatest coup the Japanese ever pulled off. EVER.

Breaking the previous record held by: Pearl Harbor.