Flower Alley

Originally Posted by oracle80

Joel I don't know how old you are but you need to grow up a whole lot in terms of maturity.
You had absolutely no right to tell that story about Todd and the rail comment, none!!! This may surprise you but many people here are very well connected in this game, moreso than you. All of us have stories about trainers, owners, and jockeys dropping f bombs, losing tempers, getting in arguments or fights. etc. Only a real classless guy would post them on here. Its really noones business what Todd says or does in private. I doubt every highly that he just did that on the spur of the moment to be a mean guy. Lots of tensions and histories at the racetrack, and lots of background that isn't always known. Perhaps he and Fugitte had a past problem, perhaps they had a beef about something. Either way, only a real classless and immature guy would post something like that here. Tell you what, I will make sure that Todd knows about what you alleged on here. Good luck getting a story or interview from him after that. You had absolutely no right to post that and you need to think things through better before you post them. You aren't impressing people who are in the know, you are achieving the opposite.

Oracle, you are a nice guy, and very knowledgable, but don't go overboard like I did yesterday. The Cunningham guy writes good stuff. I am not the track veteran, but every trainer I have ever met says f u. Who cares? I doubt pletcher would be bothered. The one time I met him he seemed like a guy that doesn't get too worked up.

Originally Posted by boldruler

Oracle, you are a nice guy, and very knowledgable, but don't go overboard like I did yesterday. The Cunningham guy writes good stuff. I am not the track veteran, but every trainer I have ever met says f u. Who cares? I doubt pletcher would be bothered. The one time I met him he seemed like a guy that doesn't get too worked up.

BR,
Its not particularly polite to post that stuff. he was on his pony in the morning in the alleged story, not in front of the public.
Anybody here who hasnt blown their cool and cursed someone out, acted up after a few beers, doen soemthing stupid? Glad noone is posting about any of us like that. And I'm sure Joel has never done anything like that, Right Joel?
This guy isnt real bright, waht he is insecure with a chip on his shoulder. Why bring that story up about Todd? Especially when we dont know all the facts. Great, try and bash the personna of a guy who is the epitome of the image we need in racing from its participants. Polite and intelligent and accomodating and gracious.
Nyers don't like rats, we never have and we never will.

Originally Posted by oracle80

BR,
Its not particularly polite to post that stuff. he was on his pony in the morning in the alleged story, not in front of the public.
Anybody here who hasnt blown their cool and cursed someone out, acted up after a few beers, doen soemthing stupid? Glad noone is posting about any of us like that. And I'm sure Joel has never done anything like that, Right Joel?
This guy isnt real bright, waht he is insecure with a chip on his shoulder. Why bring that story up about Todd? Especially when we dont know all the facts. Great, try and bash the personna of a guy who is the epitome of the image we need in racing from its participants. Polite and intelligent and accomodating and gracious.
Nyers don't like rats, we never have and we never will.

I guess you have your opinion, but sounds like typical chat room stuff to me. I have a feeling he could say whatever he wanted to Pletcher and Pletcher wouldn't care.

Originally Posted by boldruler

I guess you have your opinion, but sounds like typical chat room stuff to me. I have a feeling he could say whatever he wanted to Pletcher and Pletcher wouldn't care.

Bold ruler,
Caddies don't rat about what is said on the course, clubhouse guys dont rat about what is said in the locker room after the game. racetrack guys dont rat out f bombs or tantrums about other racetrack guys. Its like a code, at least in the civilized state of Ny it is, how many stories like that do you think guys like Blckthroatedwind or I have like that about hall of famers? Hundreds, but you won't see me posting them here, or anywhere else in public. Its just a very low thing to do.

And here is the question you really have to ask yourself. Would Joel be so brave as to say what he said here to Todd's face? I highly doubt it.

[Danzig]

but for that matter, i doubt many here would say the things they post to peoples' faces....i'd imagine there would be a WHOLE lotta crawfishing going on!

[blackthroatedwind]

This seems like an awful lot of hullabaloo about nothing. So Todd told some guy fo F-off. Oh my God! That has surely never happened at either the racetrack or anywhere else in life. So, somebody repeated it here. Wow...that's just horrible. Maybe that poster wanted to slightly clarify what he perceived was a slightly skewed public image of someone he has PUBLICLY seen another side of. Can't see what's wrong with that. Maybe Todd would be happy that people got to see that he isn't always Mr. Goodytwoshoes.

What I find interesting is the outlandish praise for people by posters for pretty much no other reason than they personally like them. Hey, I'm all for defending one's friends, and I do it all the time, but let's keep just a little perspective here. There are more than a few performances on the racetrack these days that beg questions.

On that note, how can anybody not at least question Anew at this point, in light of Steve Assmussen's recent suspension. Perhaps he did find the proverbial answer to this horse, but he was floundering in 25K claimers and suddenly became perhaps the top sprinter in the country. Why shouldn't we be at least skeptical? If you truly view many results over the past 5 or more years and don't at least have SOME suspicions, whether founded or unfounded, then you really aren't paying attention.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

This seems like an awful lot of hullabaloo about nothing. So Todd told some guy fo F-off. Oh my God! That has surely never happened at either the racetrack or anywhere else in life. So, somebody repeated it here. Wow...that's just horrible. Maybe that poster wanted to slightly clarify what he perceived was a slightly skewed public image of someone he has PUBLICLY seen another side of. Can't see what's wrong with that. Maybe Todd would be happy that people got to see that he isn't always Mr. Goodytwoshoes.

What I find interesting is the outlandish praise for people by posters for pretty much no other reason than they personally like them. Hey, I'm all for defending one's friends, and I do it all the time, but let's keep just a little perspective here. There are more than a few performances on the racetrack these days that beg questions.

On that note, how can anybody not at least question Anew at this point, in light of Steve Assmussen's recent suspension. Perhaps he did find the proverbial answer to this horse, but he was floundering in 25K claimers and suddenly became perhaps the top sprinter in the country. Why shouldn't we be at least skeptical? If you truly view many results over the past 5 or more years and don't at least have SOME suspicions, whether founded or unfounded, then you really aren't paying attention.

There is a very conclusive reason for Anew's turn-around and it is due to the fact that he was gelded last december and hasn't lost a race since.....the ultimate equipment change made all the difference, just like balto star and many others that turned around after getting snipped....

I will never accuse anybody of anything specific because i due think that is counter-productive and not kosher for a man in my position, but as a high-level horse player I understand that some of the stuff I witness in the game is almost impossible and has to be unatural...I am certain that there is no coincidence in the things that I witness watching races day after day after day.....to say that everybody plays fair would be insulting mine and every other horse player's intelligence....

[blackthroatedwind]

Believe me, I am a big " first time gelding " player and have done well at times in the past playing that angle almost exclusively. However, sorry if I am just a little suspicious of that being the only reason that horse made his overnight transformation. He is hardly the only member of that barn that has been running out of his skin lately. I am not accusing anybody of anything, just looking at the results, and a slew of sudden speed figure jumps always gives me at least a little cause for pause.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Believe me, I am a big " first time gelding " player and have done well at times in the past playing that angle almost exclusively. However, sorry if I am just a little suspicious of that being the only reason that horse made his overnight transformation. He is hardly the only member of that barn that has been running out of his skin lately. I am not accusing anybody of anything, just looking at the results, and a slew of sudden speed figure jumps always gives me at least a little cause for pause.

I can understand where you are coming from...............I personally like Steve Asmussen and regard him as one of if not the best trainer in the game...i apprecaite the money, time and energy he puts into this game...it is very enviable and I think very highly of the guy and regard him as a true Ambassador of our sport, but I'm not blind and understand that things happen in this sport...I'm not saying that Steve is guilty, but things do happen in this sport like any other....he probably has close to half a million horses under his mangement and is spread from coast to coast......It is really impressive and unbelieveable to see him manage that herculean jugernaut of a stable that he has, and I'm sure that he can't oversee every little thing but must be accountable for everything.....

I know EvD racing and I know No End in Sight, and I'll just say that I doubt that Steve would condone cheating with drugs on a filly running for $10K claimers at EvD with what he has to lose.....I just know him and that is my opinion, but to say that he or any others trainer hasn't knowingly or unknowingly cheated is just plain wrong...they alll probably have done something at some poit..

Hell, I remember a couple of years ago when Neil Howard got a suspension or fine at Fair Grounds for something, and he was so embarrased that he wanted reporters to come and get his story out.....Neil is one of the most honest and genuinely great guys on the backside and he would never knowingly cheat.....it happens

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

I can understand where you are coming from...............I personally like Steve Asmussen and regard him as one of if not the best trainer in the game...i apprecaite the money, time and energy he puts into this game...it is very enviable and I think very highly of the guy and regard him as a true Ambassador of our sport, but I'm not blind and understand that things happen in this sport...I'm not saying that Steve is guilty, but things do happen in this sport like any other....he probably has close to half a million horses under his mangement and is spread from coast to coast......It is really impressive and unbelieveable to see him manage that herculean jugernaut of a stable that he has, and I'm sure that he can't oversee every little thing but must be accountable for everything.....

I know EvD racing and I know No End in Sight, and I'll just say that I doubt that Steve would condone cheating with drugs on a filly running for $10K claimers at EvD with what he has to lose.....I just know him and that is my opinion, but to say that he or any others trainer hasn't knowingly or unknowingly cheated is just plain wrong...they alll probably have done something at some poit..

Hell, I remember a couple of years ago when Neil Howard got a suspension or fine at Fair Grounds for something, and he was so embarrased that he wanted reporters to come and get his story out.....Neil is one of the most honest and genuinely great guys on the backside and he would never knowingly cheat.....it happens

I'm hoping the "half a million horses under his management" comment was hyperbole. That's a big number of horses, even by Assmussen standards.

Joel, call him a bad trainer(cool), say you don't like his hair(cool), say you thought he did a lousy job training so and so(cool), say he sucks at getting horses to run in such and such a classification(cool), say you don't like how he dresses(cool), say you think he steal owners(cool), whats definitely NOT COOL is repeating backstretch stuff, like I said I only have about 500 stories like that. Some about people that i absolutely hate, but I still won't post that kinda stuff, its just not right where I come from. I don't know how it works where you come from.