Flower Alley

[blackthroatedwind]

God, I hope that's not the first half-truth ever printed in a newspaper.

I like and respect Todd, but pardon me if I remain skeptical, I've just been around this game too long to be otherwise.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

God, I hope that's not the first half-truth ever printed in a newspaper.

I like and respect Todd, but pardon me if I remain skeptical, I've just been around this game too long to be otherwise.

I am the same way, but I truly think they planned a late start and when he came back it took em a while to get off the weight and get him fit, he may have been off TOO long. He looked much larger than he did last year today. I'm not the best source on horses looks but I pulled last years BCC I have stored and compared it to todays. He looked much bigger.

Originally Posted by oracle80

I am the same way, but I truly think they planned a late start and when he came back it took em a while to get off the weight and get him fit, he may have been off TOO long. He looked much larger than he did last year today. I'm not the best source on horses looks but I pulled last years BCC I have stored and compared it to todays. He looked much bigger.

I sat on the rail at CD Derby week last year with my former boss, Steve Fugitte, and Todd gallopped by with a grey colt and we asked if it was Argento and he said - and I quote..."**** you"...and ever since then I realized the type of man he was.....he may be great, but you don't tell a VP at CD to "**** off" for no reason when they ask if a particular horse was Argento (who was a cheap allowance turf colt that Pletcher had)....by the way, I know it was him...just thought it was hilarious that Pletcher was defensive...the horse never ran for a tag anyway......to say that Pletcher is 100% an honest and straight-shooting guy would be 100% bull****...he has an agenda and he always follows it....

[Scurlogue Champ]

Not to defend Pletcher, but I don't think Todd was the first one to tell Fugitte to **** off...nor the only one who wanted to.

Funny the perception of Pletcher though, I have heard quite a few similar stories concerning him and his "team."

[quote=moodwalker]Not to defend Pletcher, but I don't think Todd was the first one to tell Fugitte to **** off...nor the only one who wanted to.

Funny the perception of Pletcher though, I have heard quite a few similar stories concerning him and his "team."[/QUOTE

What business does a former trainer who couldnt make it on his own have asking a trainer who the horse is that he is galloping? Sorry but the last time I checked if you weren't the friend of that trainer, you have absolutely no business asking that question. He could be dropped in for a tag at some point.

Joel I don't know how old you are but you need to grow up a whole lot in terms of maturity.
You had absolutely no right to tell that story about Todd and the rail comment, none!!! This may surprise you but many people here are very well connected in this game, moreso than you. All of us have stories about trainers, owners, and jockeys dropping f bombs, losing tempers, getting in arguments or fights. etc. Only a real classless guy would post them on here. Its really noones business what Todd says or does in private. I doubt every highly that he just did that on the spur of the moment to be a mean guy. Lots of tensions and histories at the racetrack, and lots of background that isn't always known. Perhaps he and Fugitte had a past problem, perhaps they had a beef about something. Either way, only a real classless and immature guy would post something like that here. Tell you what, I will make sure that Todd knows about what you alleged on here. Good luck getting a story or interview from him after that. You had absolutely no right to post that and you need to think things through better before you post them. You aren't impressing people who are in the know, you are achieving the opposite.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Joel I don't know how old you are but you need to grow up a whole lot in terms of maturity.
You had absolutely no right to tell that story about Todd and the rail comment, none!!! This may surprise you but many people here are very well connected in this game, moreso than you. All of us have stories about trainers, owners, and jockeys dropping f bombs, losing tempers, getting in arguments or fights. etc. Only a real classless guy would post them on here. Its really noones business what Todd says or does in private. I doubt every highly that he just did that on the spur of the moment to be a mean guy. Lots of tensions and histories at the racetrack, and lots of background that isn't always known. Perhaps he and Fugitte had a past problem, perhaps they had a beef about something. Either way, only a real classless and immature guy would post something like that here. Tell you what, I will make sure that Todd knows about what you alleged on here. Good luck getting a story or interview from him after that. You had absolutely no right to post that and you need to think things through better before you post them. You aren't impressing people who are in the know, you are achieving the opposite.

Oracle, you are a nice guy, and very knowledgable, but don't go overboard like I did yesterday. The Cunningham guy writes good stuff. I am not the track veteran, but every trainer I have ever met says f u. Who cares? I doubt pletcher would be bothered. The one time I met him he seemed like a guy that doesn't get too worked up.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Joel I don't know how old you are but you need to grow up a whole lot in terms of maturity.
You had absolutely no right to tell that story about Todd and the rail comment, none!!! This may surprise you but many people here are very well connected in this game, moreso than you. All of us have stories about trainers, owners, and jockeys dropping f bombs, losing tempers, getting in arguments or fights. etc. Only a real classless guy would post them on here. Its really noones business what Todd says or does in private. I doubt every highly that he just did that on the spur of the moment to be a mean guy. Lots of tensions and histories at the racetrack, and lots of background that isn't always known. Perhaps he and Fugitte had a past problem, perhaps they had a beef about something. Either way, only a real classless and immature guy would post something like that here. Tell you what, I will make sure that Todd knows about what you alleged on here. Good luck getting a story or interview from him after that. You had absolutely no right to post that and you need to think things through better before you post them. You aren't impressing people who are in the know, you are achieving the opposite.

not the first time i've seen someone post a little tidbit about someone else on the track, or anyone else. so why does this guy get a hammer between his eyes? i don't see the big deal in what he put up--so todd pletcher said eff u. so did dick cheney on the senate floor. whoopie. i wouldn't call being on the track in private either.

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

I sat on the rail at CD Derby week last year with my former boss, Steve Fugitte, and Todd gallopped by with a grey colt and we asked if it was Argento and he said - and I quote..."**** you"...and ever since then I realized the type of man he was.....he may be great, but you don't tell a VP at CD to "**** off" for no reason when they ask if a particular horse was Argento (who was a cheap allowance turf colt that Pletcher had)....by the way, I know it was him...just thought it was hilarious that Pletcher was defensive...the horse never ran for a tag anyway......to say that Pletcher is 100% an honest and straight-shooting guy would be 100% bull****...he has an agenda and he always follows it....

WE Nyers tend to treat trash like trash. And Fugitte deserves respect because????? Refresh my memory please?

Originally Posted by oracle80

WE Nyers tend to treat trash like trash. And Fugitte deserves respect because????? Refresh my memory please?

Never said that he deserved respect, but Pletcher was way out of line there...I'm sure he was probably having a bad morning or something, but to turn to a VP at the track you are on and shout "F U" in front of several of racing fans out for Dawn at the Downs was not cool, classy or acceptable - even for a ragged NYer (he's a Dallas boy anyway so don't try to claim)..

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Never said that he deserved respect, but Pletcher was way out of line there...I'm sure he was probably having a bad morning or something, but to turn to a VP at the track you are on and shout "F U" in front of several of racing fans out for Dawn at the Downs was not cool, classy or acceptable - even for a ragged NYer (he's a Dallas boy anyway so don't try to claim)..

When I see him up here I will mention it to him. Its low Joel, and you should know better. And you DO know what I am talking about.

Originally Posted by oracle80

When I see him up here I will mention it to him. Its low Joel, and you should know better. And you DO know what I am talking about.

I'm not Pletcher, but if some guy came up to me talking about some post on a chat site I would laugh at him. Don't make yourself look stupid over something like this.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

Smart guy that Pletcher.

When you morons get up at 5:00 AM every morning 365 days a year than you can make your assinine comments.

i wish i could sleep in like that.

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

Smart guy that Pletcher.

When you morons get up at 5:00 AM every morning 365 days a year than you can make your assinine comments.

This moron at least knows how to spell asinine. How many ways can you people find to spell this word, I have never seen anything like it.

[Scurlogue Champ]

Sometimes this board reminds me of watching those little feist dogs left in people's cars in parking lots. Just barking their heads off at any movement.

[ateamstupid]

mood -

You're a funny dude.

That is all.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by moodwalker

Sometimes this board reminds me of watching those little feist dogs left in people's cars in parking lots. Just barking their heads off at any movement.

actually, that's a pretty good analogy.