Bold Ruler/Showing Up

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

"Dope."

..This might be the key word of your entire sentence.....I know Kip Deville from the Louisiana/Texas area and he is not the kind of horse that is good enough to go 1:08 and change and still hold off most of these type of quality turf horses....that horse was breathing fire in the stretch...

Showing Up has MOUNDS of class...what a freakin' nice horse.....I love this horse and we'll see him for a while too (baring serious injury) because of his blue collar, obscure pedigree....his stud value isn't much until he wins a couple of important Gr. I's...

Breathing fire? Joel you lost me there. Of course he was, and he still dug in for the place after setting a blistering pace. Rick moves horses up, thats why they bought him, with that hope. Obviously hes not the same horse now he was then. Unless you think its irrational to believe that Rick move dhim way up off the other guy.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Breathing fire? Joel you lost me there. Of course he was, and he still dug in for the place after setting a blistering pace. Rick moves horses up, thats why they bought him, with that hope. Obviously hes not the same horse now he was then. Unless you think its irrational to believe that Rick move dhim way up off the other guy.

No, as I mentioned, first-time Dutrow is one of the best betting angles in our sport....just like first time Cole Norman, etc.....I won't elaborate on why I think they are so good with almost every horse they claim/acquire off of any other trainers in North America...

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

No, as I mentioned, first-time Dutrow is one of the best betting angles in our sport....just like first time Cole Norman, etc.....I won't elaborate on why I think they are so good with almost every horse they claim/acquire off of any other trainers in North America...

Right, of course you won't. It couldnt be the legal stuff he uses like adequan, legend, lubrisyn, the very best blacksmith alive. It coulodnt be that every horse he gest who is off behind gets a glutial blister like only DR all can give em. Couldnt be the dietary supplements or the fact that he got a blueprint on how to train top horses from Bobby Frankel who used to ship into Ricks barn before he stabled in NY full time in the summer and tell him what he wanted done and how to do it. Nah, couldnt be that.
Comparing him to Norman is quite unfair. How many grade ones or champs has Norman trained?

Originally Posted by oracle80

Right, of course you won't. It couldnt be the legal stuff he uses like adequan, legend, lubrisyn, the very best blacksmith alive. It coulodnt be that every horse he gest who is off behind gets a glutial blister like only DR all can give em. Couldnt be the dietary supplements or the fact that he got a blueprint on how to train top horses from Bobby Frankel who used to ship into Ricks barn before he stabled in NY full time in the summer and tell him what he wanted done and how to do it. Nah, couldnt be that.
Comparing him to Norman is quite unfair. How many grade ones or champs has Norman trained?

Norman and Dutrow are the same...they just get a different range of horse flesh due to the geographic area and circuit both cater to.....my trainers give my horses every med and supplement you mentioned above and he doesn't get the same results as Dutrow and he has been training for 35 yeras and is very sharp......lets face it, he is using more than hay, oates and water......