Flower Alley

#1 06-24-2006, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

So beating Park Avenue Ball and Gold and Roses proves hes best?

Glad his return went okay, I didnt see the race. Too busy seeing the Sox win their 8th straight

Come on Tim you can do better than that. Talking all that trash about him. yeah they werent grade one horses but they were a salty bunch. Johnny ride him late and he exploded in two strides and just took off, looked like a monster physically as well, hes really filled out. Two turn mile in 1:35:4 on a wet track that hasnt been very fast since becoming sloppy and sealed. Trust me its a big fig to come back on but no so big that he will bounce next time. It was absolutely the most perfect comeback race that a trainer could hope for. WHitney is next, and hes going to crush them.

Gander · #2 06-24-2006, 05:15 PM

What exact trash did I talk except for the fact that a layed off horse doesnt get kudos for being layed up. I give more credit to Lava Man for beating nothings on the West Coast than to a horse who didnt run for 9 months.

I never said this horse wasnt very talented. I know it and it looks like he came back strong and the rest of the older horses on the east coast are going to have their work cut out for them.

#3 06-24-2006, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

What exact trash did I talk except for the fact that a layed off horse doesnt get kudos for being layed up. I give more credit to Lava Man for beating nothings on the West Coast than to a horse who didnt run for 9 months.

I never said this horse wasnt very talented. I know it and it looks like he came back strong and the rest of the older horses on the east coast are going to have their work cut out for them.

Tim you knocked his layoff and quite frankly you knock Todd all the time. What he did was brilliant. Hoy isnt won the 1st half of the year and it sure isnt won in Dubai. Its won in races like the BCC. He designed a second half of the year campaign aimed at having him dead fit and sharp in the BCC yet not over the top in his form. And unlike GZ's very brief 4Yo campaign, this one will also have stops at The WHitney and the Woodward, maybe the JCGC. In any case, the knockers on Todd and this horse are gonna have it shoved down their throats pretty good this year. This horse may have been teh most underrated horse I have seen in years last year. Perhaps I am biased because I was told my someone who would know that he had a legit excuse in the JCGC that the press was never really told about, an airway problem where he displaced or entrapped. You chuck that race and his Jim Dandy, Travers and ERSPECIALLY his BCC where he finished far ahead of soem damn good horses while making the HOY work hard to get by him(and earn a huge sheet number in the process) was exteremly underrated by the "experts", lol. He was only three, and not many three year olds run a race like that in the BCC.
Hes going to be a terror from here on in and good luck to his opponents, they will certainly need it.

sumitas · #4 06-24-2006, 05:30 PM

i missed this lock today.

#5 06-24-2006, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas

i missed this lock today.

he wasn't a horse to bet Sumitas, I never siggested that. Taking odds on on a horse who has been laid off who draws outside in the slop is for suckers only. It was just nice to see him run and let the knockers know that they can stop teh fantasizing about Lava Man, etc being the champ. The future champ was a little late arriving at the party but hes here now, and the rest are screwed.

Gander · #6 06-24-2006, 05:36 PM

What did he end up going off at Mike?

You are right, it was a salty group and I would have taken a shot with Network if he was 4/1 or higher.

#7 06-24-2006, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

What did he end up going off at Mike?

You are right, it was a salty group and I would have taken a shot with Network if he was 4/1 or higher.

He went off at 1/2

#8 06-24-2006, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

What did he end up going off at Mike?

You are right, it was a salty group and I would have taken a shot with Network if he was 4/1 or higher.

Tim I dunno what he went off at. Only a degenerate would have taken a horse off a 9 month layoff in the slop at odds on. I think he was like 2-5. Tim I love the game, I don't have to have a penny on a race to get real pumped up about watching a horse i love run and being excited about a performance. Its no different than you watching the Red Sox and getting so excited. I guess I find you hypocritcal with that signature line and all. I know guys who bet baseball and wouldnt watch a game unless they had cash on it. They would find you to be a liar if you said you had gotten so excited that the Sox won today without cash on em. This is a sport that soem of us really love, and you don't have to have money on a horse to get excited to see him win. You used to be like that, I wish you could get back there and enjoy the game again.

Pedigree Ann · #9 06-25-2006, 02:01 PM

Presumable, when a horse comes off of a long layoff, it is only some percentage of its optimum racing fitness (80%, 90%, whatever), which needs racing to be developed. Therefore, a contest versus lesser animals gives a horse coming off of a lay-off the best shot of winning and these days, when any loss negatively influences stallion value, it is clearly the way to go.

Ooops. Should have read the WHOLE thread before I jumped in.

brockguy · #10 06-24-2006, 05:37 PM

Flower Alley is certianly the horse to beat this year. He has proven form whereas the 3yos still need to improve considerably to figure. Obviously, they will but I reckon there is still more to come from FA and as Oracle said, Pletcher will have him spot on BCC day±!