Lava Man---California Is His Home

[pointman]

Dunbar, you must be the all knowing expert to have the gumption to trash a new person to the site so quickly. I did not profess to know all the rules, just noticed in the program when he does not have a "LB" next to his line he does not do as well and that happens when he is outside of California. If you paid attention I hedged on what I said to see if people with more knowledge than I about this sport could shed more light on what I noticed. I do not profess to be all knowing, I have an intense job and cannot spend all day learning the ins and outs of the business. Hopefully I will not offend your sense of knowledge on what I post in the future. That is if I care.

Ok. This whole bute thing is a mystery to me so I just did some research. Both the Kentucky and California Horse Racing Rules seem to be the same on bute: You can give it but it must be given no later than 24 hours before post time. Even the dosage amount seems the same. You can find the drug rules in each state by doing a google search for "Drug Medication Rules CHRB" and "Kentucky Horse Racing Drug Rules." Apparently, the PP's do not always reflect Bute as a "B" after the "L" unless the rules in that particular jurisdiction require it to be posted. For example, you can have bute in New York, but the deadline to administer is 48 hours prior to post time. So the absence of a "B" in a pp doesn't mean that "B" is absent. Or am I totally missing something?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by FairPlay

Ok. This whole bute thing is a mystery to me so I just did some research. Both the Kentucky and California Horse Racing Rules seem to be the same on bute: You can give it but it must be given no later than 24 hours before post time. Even the dosage amount seems the same. You can find the drug rules in each state by doing a google search for "Drug Medication Rules CHRB" and "Kentucky Horse Racing Drug Rules." Apparently, the PP's do not always reflect Bute as a "B" after the "L" unless the rules in that particular jurisdiction require it to be posted. For example, you can have bute in New York, but the deadline to administer is 48 hours prior to post time. So the absence of a "B" in a pp doesn't mean that "B" is absent. Or am I totally missing something?

It is a question I would really like the Daily Racing Form to address. If the absence of B doesn't mean Bute wasn't used then why the heck are they wasting a column in the Form to give out misinformation? If there is a difference between when a B is posted and when it isn't then what is the explanation for it?

[pointman]

Thank you, Fair Play. An intelligent response. This is the kind of education that I believe I can get on this web site. I can't figure it out, but I assumed that the there is a reason why DRF puts an "L" as opposed to an "LB" in the program. Just a general assumption there must be a reason for the difference. This is an issue I would like to explore more. However, the all knowing Dumbar has figured it all out, with his 8 months more of experience on this web site, everyone is too scared of Lava Man in California and there are no quality handicap horses willing to come challenge him. Like Invasor and Discreet Cat are ducking Lava Man!

Originally Posted by pointman

Thank you, Fair Play. An intelligent response. This is the kind of education that I believe I can get on this web site. I can't figure it out, but I assumed that the there is a reason why DRF puts an "L" as opposed to an "LB" in the program. Just a general assumption there must be a reason for the difference. This is an issue I would like to explore more. However, the all knowing Dumbar has figured it all out, with his 8 months more of experience on this web site, everyone is too scared of Lava Man in California and there are no quality handicap horses willing to come challenge him. Like Invasor and Discreet Cat are ducking Lava Man!

Thanks for the kind words. I do think, however, that a case can be made that certain horses are avoiding facing Lava Man on his own turf. There must be a reason why east coast based horses would run for smaller purses in Florida and New Yorkthan take-on Lava Man on the west coast. They had a million reasons to show up on Saturday, but they didn't. Would Lava Man beat Invasor straight up in California? Who knows? The only thing that I'd guess is that Lava Man would beat Invasor straight up in California running on the turf! Welcome to the site and hope that you have a pleasant experience here.

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by pointman

Dunbar, you must be the all knowing expert to have the gumption to trash a new person to the site so quickly. I did not profess to know all the rules, just noticed in the program when he does not have a "LB" next to his line he does not do as well and that happens when he is outside of California. If you paid attention I hedged on what I said to see if people with more knowledge than I about this sport could shed more light on what I noticed. I do not profess to be all knowing, I have an intense job and cannot spend all day learning the ins and outs of the business. Hopefully I will not offend your sense of knowledge on what I post in the future. That is if I care.

Lava Man is a bad shipper, he weaves and stall walks and generally doesn't enjoy the traveling. There are a LOT of horses like that, it's just a quirk some get, it has no bearing on his lack of talent outside the Sunshine State, traveling by van for an hour is vastly different than going on an airplane and traveling for hours, it's just an unfortunate part of Lava Man's personality. Bute is allowed in every track in America and is as potent as an aspirin is for people, hardly a performance enhancing crutch.

[Cajungator26]

From what I understand (and someone please correct me if I'm mistaken), bute is administered the same in Kentucky as it is in California, but it is not marked in the PP's like it is in California.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

From what I understand (and someone please correct me if I'm mistaken), bute is administered the same in Kentucky as it is in California, but it is not marked in the PP's like it is in California.

That's what I said a few posts up :-)

Thanks for confirming my understanding.