Lava Man---California Is His Home

Dunbar · #1 03-03-2007, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

IT'S A MILLION BUCKS. I guess if they thought it was an easy spot,then they would have come.

Exactly. What a bunch a crap about knocking his competition. There just aren't ANY top handicap horses ANYWHERE. Who are we comparing him to in the East? Corinthian? Hesanoldsalt?

If you had a top horse that could pick up a Grade I and the 600K for winning it, and Lava Man was nothing special, wouldn't you send your horse out to California? Gee, I don't see a stampede of the REALLY good horses.

--Dunbar

randallscott35 · #2 03-03-2007, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunbar

Exactly. What a bunch a crap about knocking his competition. There just aren't ANY top handicap horses ANYWHERE. Who are we comparing him to in the East? Corinthian? Hesanoldsalt?

If you had a top horse that could pick up a Grade I and the 600K for winning it, and Lava Man was nothing special, wouldn't you send your horse out to California? Gee, I don't see a stampede of the REALLY good horses.

--Dunbar

East----- Invasor, Bernardini(last year), Sun King, Premium Tap, Discreet Cat

Comparing the Grade 2 horses running in GP today is not exactly the best the east has to offer....But I do agree that you have to beat who shows up and he always does that....Keep him on the turf. I would like to see him in the BC mile.

Scav · #3 03-03-2007, 09:56 PM

You know, I was thinking about this today, fact is that we all bitch about not having good horses around long and we are getting to see Lava Man, who could essentially be around for 3-4 more years. (I doubt you will see him in a 4k claimer like Shake you Down)

I for one just want to see the friggin horse challenged, put 130 lbs on him, do something because he is just that much better then the competition out there. I would love to see some East Coast people take a shot at him but I doubt they will

SCUDSBROTHER · #4 03-03-2007, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

You know, I was thinking about this today, fact is that we all bitch about not having good horses around long and we are getting to see Lava Man, who could essentially be around for 3-4 more years. (I doubt you will see him in a 4k claimer like Shake you Down)

I for one just want to see the friggin horse challenged, put 130 lbs on him, do something because he is just that much better then the competition out there. I would love to see some East Coast people take a shot at him but I doubt they will

Oh,he was challenged today.Either the track was a little heavy,or the weight(going 10f) that he was giving away....... is starting to get close to stopping him.As far as I am concerned,he felt the fatigue at the top of the stretch(when the Oneil horse in purple n' white was upside of him,)and he dug deeper.Oneil was a little worried about it in the post-race interview.He didn't just draw off today.They went with him when he tried to break away from them.Maybe that's what he was doing at the top of the stretch(he was irritated,and trying to figure out how to shake them.)

alysheba4 · #5 03-04-2007, 12:38 AM

i dunno man...... i believe this is one of the truly incredible rags to riches story, a former cal bred claimer who now has about 5 mil. in the bank. wow.

Seattleallstar · #6 03-04-2007, 02:47 PM

Lava Man just proved again he can beat glorified high level allowance/claimers under the guise of a Grade 1 in southern california.

2Hot4TV · #7 03-04-2007, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Oh,he was challenged today.Either the track was a little heavy,or the weight(going 10f) that he was giving away....... is starting to get close to stopping him.As far as I am concerned,he felt the fatigue at the top of the stretch(when the Oneil horse in purple n' white was upside of him,)and he dug deeper.Oneil was a little worried about it in the post-race interview.He didn't just draw off today.They went with him when he tried to break away from them.Maybe that's what he was doing at the top of the stretch(he was irritated,and trying to figure out how to shake them.)

The track was real deep in the final 3/16 to the wire.(like Santa Anita can be) Like running in sand. You had to have the lead when you turned for home because you were not going pass anybody in the last 1/8 unless they stopped. I was at the track and had one of the best seats in the house (Kristin Mulhul's Box which is right in front of the winners circle and on the wire)to watch the race and all the winners activity after the race. You are right about Lava Man being used in this race. He looked like he was all out to win yesterday.
I have to tell you that having that box yesterday was the best day that my poor a s s has ever had at Santa Anita. Talking with Hall of Famer Jack Van Berg in the box next to me and I have My son in law to thank. Thanks Dennis! TOO COOL!

Cajungator26 · #8 03-04-2007, 06:37 PM

It makes no sense to take Lava Man to Dubai... the horse evidentally does NOT travel well, so why ruin him by doing it? He's a really nice horse... I just don't think it's worth it taking him all the way over there and ruining him.

Dunbar · #9 03-04-2007, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

It makes no sense to take Lava Man to Dubai... the horse evidentally does NOT travel well, so why ruin him by doing it? He's a really nice horse... I just don't think it's worth it taking him all the way over there and ruining him.

There's not much evidence that running outside of California has done any harm to Lava Man's subsequent performances in California. I think the connections feel Lava Man is capable of winning anywhere. He's never tried turf outside of California, so they are giving it a shot. IMO it should be applauded.

--Dunbar

Hickory Hill Hoff · #10 03-04-2007, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

It makes no sense to take Lava Man to Dubai... the horse evidentally does NOT travel well, so why ruin him by doing it? He's a really nice horse... I just don't think it's worth it taking him all the way over there and ruining him.

Agreed, don't make the same mistake again. I may get shipped over there though...if the "better-half" has her way!

2Hot4TV · #11 03-04-2007, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

It makes no sense to take Lava Man to Dubai... the horse evidentally does NOT travel well, so why ruin him by doing it? He's a really nice horse... I just don't think it's worth it taking him all the way over there and ruining him.

Totally agree that they should stay home and move to the turf to keep some weight off. We all know that Lava Man is a STALL RACER and untill they find a way for him to relax in new surroundings the result will be the same. Traveling to Dubai has put the stops to alot of good horses, seems to take 6 months or longer to get back to good form.

#12 03-04-2007, 10:26 PM

This horse is good for racing.
1 million dollar race should have brought all the great invaders from the east dont ya think?

I will say it would have been more impressive carrying 128 lbs though.

Has anyone ever hauled a horse in a trailer? Its not something most of them relish. So getting on a plane is just pure bliss? Some horses also hate unfamiliar surroundings. His connections have alluded to this probable problem.Its not like packing your dog in plastic carrier.

pointman · #13 03-06-2007, 02:14 PM

Fair Play, thank you for the welcome. I appreciate that there are people on the site, I'm sure the vast majority, that don't come after newcomers like bullies. My guess is that east coast horses like Invasor and Discreet Cat are not looking for the big races this time of year, but are resting up for the big races on the east coast in the summer and fall. Of course, there is plenty of money on the east coast in that time period such that there is no need to ship out west. I still have to think there is a reason why DRF codes the medication in that way and there must be difference between the two. Hopefully someone knows that difference.

jpops757 · #14 03-04-2007, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Oh,he was challenged today.Either the track was a little heavy,or the weight(going 10f) that he was giving away....... is starting to get close to stopping him.As far as I am concerned,he felt the fatigue at the top of the stretch(when the Oneil horse in purple n' white was upside of him,)and he dug deeper.Oneil was a little worried about it in the post-race interview.He didn't just draw off today.They went with him when he tried to break away from them.Maybe that's what he was doing at the top of the stretch(he was irritated,and trying to figure out how to shake them.)

they had blinkers added tyesterday . when thehorse came into view he dug down with enough to win. This horse does something suoer and all we here is negative, We see gr1 horses scratched often because of something,weather ,post position,surface change or something physical. Why knock this horse because of him not shipping well? I use the term HIM loosley.