Pletcher@#$@$%

Originally Posted by golfer

I realize I'm not looking at this objectively, and the wounds he inflicted are still open, but does anybody else find what Pletcher did today to be outrageous.. I'm thinking of asking for a refund from Thorograph, because Pletcher's horses rendered them meaningless!!! I realize he's got great horses, but THIS was ABSURD! Please let me know if I'm the only one who feels this way.

No, you're certainly not.

[golfer]

Thanks, Grits.. I mean Deadly Dealer 44 to the half in a 7.5 furlong race, draws off by 7? Takes my Song 44 to the half in a 7 furlong race, keeps going? Half Ours, 43 to the half in a 7 furlong race, doesn't stop? Come on!!

[GPK]

Originally Posted by golfer

Thanks, Grits.. I mean Deadly Dealer 44 to the half in a 7.5 furlong race, draws off by 7? Takes my Song 44 to the half in a 7 furlong race, keeps going? Half Ours, 43 to the half in a 7 furlong race, doesn't stop? Come on!!

the other two I know nothing about....but please don't tell me you thought Half Ours was gonna stop

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

big trainers on big days

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

big trainers on big days

Exactly!!!

[Withers]

Heck, shouldn't we be giving Pletcher's assistant trainers all the credit here? After all, Pletcher hasn't even been around until the last couple of weeks, due to the suspension, right? I just wish he were a bit more colorful/charismatic. Leno should put Pletcher on and try to get the guy to be a bit more humorous. I still think that trainers like Baffert (Mr. Colorful, and that hair!), Frankel (Brooklyn Jerk), Servis (Mr. Everyman), Tagg (Pessimism Incarnate), or Ritchey (with his hearty 2 mile gallops) are all better for the sport than Pletcher with his 34 colts at 12 gazillion tracks: "Huh? which one is that bay out there Anthony/Seth/Michelle/Tristan?" OK, that's not fair, I bet he recognizes the colts and their corresponding deposits on his bank statements, but still...200 horses? 5 assistant trainers? I'm undoubtedly jealous, guy's still under 40, right? I'm just saying that the guys is an excellent MANAGER at this point (of owners and his assistants), more than an amazing trainer; I really doubt that he sees much of the horses. Aaaaaah, sweet success...

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Cardus

The word that I use on days like this, when Pletcher looks like he is emceeing the day's broadcast, is embarrassing.

It's embarrassing that he wins race after race on these big days.

I agree, it leaves a sour taste in your mouth.

I just don't think its good for racing either to have this huge super trainer winning, whatever it is 50 - 80 million dollars per year.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I agree, it leaves a sour taste in your mouth.

I just don't think its good for racing either to have this huge super trainer winning, whatever it is 50 - 80 million dollars per year.

His mentor Lukas use to do it...well maybe 25 - 40 million back then

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Doesn't it make you happy that Pletcher isn't based at Arlington?

You know I never thought about it until you said that, but yes it does.
We already have one mini-super trainer over here, Catalano, but he mainly deals in the claimers. Its not like he is sweeping all the stakes races.

[golfer]

Kev, I respect your opinion, and maybe Half Ours ends up being a super horse, but yes, I thought he might slow down a little. His career consists of 3 starts in 3 years, so I did consider it a possibility.

Could the day have been any better for Pletcher...? not a whole lot.

[golfer]

Only if John V gets Vamanos' nose down on the wire in the 2nd after he "rebroke" in the final 100 yards....

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Could the day have been any better for Pletcher...? not a whole lot.

Yeah, that bum couldn't get Sam P. to win the Bob Lewis..( he finished 2nd)

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

Yeah, that bum couldn't get Sam P. to win the Bob Lewis..( he finished 2nd)

Don't forget Forest Code finishing second. Must have ruined the day Todd.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by golfer

Kev, I respect your opinion, and maybe Half Ours ends up being a super horse, but yes, I thought he might slow down a little. His career consists of 3 starts in 3 years, so I did consider it a possibility.

and I see your train of thought. I think he could be a special horse if not for his fragility. I just watched the replay and he got those fractions fairly easily...IMO...looked like he was hardly working at all for that first 1/2

[golfer]

Originally Posted by GPK

and I see your train of thought. I think he could be a special horse if not for his fragility. I just watched the replay and he got those fractions fairly easily...IMO...looked like he was hardly working at all for that first 1/2

As I said, I'm definitely not Objective at the moment, it's just that he got some amazing performances today from ALL his horses.. retrospectively no handicapping was necessary, just needed to play ONE trainer. I spent alot of time working on this card, I feel most of it was wasted.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by golfer

As I said, I'm definitely not Objective at the moment, it's just that he got some amazing performances today from ALL his horses.. retrospectively no handicapping was necessary, just needed to play ONE trainer. I spent alot of time working on this card, I feel most of it was wasted.

at least you are honest enough to admit that right now you are not objective...

I know its a hard pill to swallow...but like Hooves said...big days you look for big trainers. Has to be considered part of the equation when capping those big days.